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Violent Mobs Attack Immigrants in Karelia
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captain.
2006-09-07 02:35:27 UTC
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http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713

By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova

Staff Writer

The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.

The violence included mobs with Molotov cocktails burning down
Caucasian-owned businesses and natives of the Caucasus being forced out of
town. An air of fear and uncertainty permeated the town Sunday

The angry mobs, which left the town of 37,000 pockmarked with
storefront fires and shattered glass, stemmed from a fight Wednesday evening
outside the Chaika restaurant in which two ethnic Russians were killed.

A group of young ethnic Russians, including some ex-convicts, had been
drinking in the restaurant that evening, an official at Karelia's Interior
Ministry said.

The men began arguing with the restaurant's bartender. The argument
led to a fight. The bartender, an Azeri, managed to escape but later
returned with some friends, all natives of the Caucasus, bearing knives,
baseball bats and iron rods. In the ensuing brawl, two ethnic Russians were
killed; nine others, including Russians and natives of the Caucasus, were
injured.

Police detained several suspects at the site of the brawl, including
those suspected of having committed the two murders. That did not stop the
Chaika and other Caucasian-owned businesses from being attacked Friday and
Saturday; owners subsequently fled Kondopoga.

The angry mobs behind the violence appeared to have been galvanized,
in part, by a local web site, Kcity.ru, which posted an appeal to town
residents Friday to meet at the town square Saturday afternoon to protest
the knifing of the ethnic Russians.

On Saturday, about 2,000 people showed up at the square. Speakers
included the leader of the nationalist Movement Against Illegal Migration,
Alexander Belov, who demanded the expulsion of natives of the Caucasus
lacking residence permits.

Police officers told Interfax that all Caucasus natives had left the
town by Saturday.

A Karelian Interior Ministry official confirmed Sunday that hundreds
of natives of the Caucasus had been living in the town and that most of them
had fled, while some had gone into hiding.

Saturday evening saw further attacks, mostly by young men and
teenagers, on the Chaika restaurant and nearby kiosks and markets.

It was only when police commandos arrived in Kondopoga from Karelia's
capital, Petrozavodsk, at 9 p.m. Saturday that the attacks subsided. The
commandos dispersed the crowds, detaining more than 100 suspects.

Twenty-five of the suspects remained in custody as of Monday, Interfax
reported, with a total of 109 having been detained. Local police and
commandos patrolled the town's streets.

Despite the scale of the riots, national television channels ignored
Kondopoga in their news reports Saturday. On Sunday, the state-run Rossia
channel showed footage of young men throwing rocks at Chaika in broad
daylight and, later, images of the restaurant consumed by fire.

Also on Sunday, Karelia's governor, Sergei Katanandov, weighed in on
the ethnic violence, saying authorities were restoring order to Kondopoga
and vowing to prosecute those who took part in the attacks. "We will not
allow anyone to destabilize the situation in the republic," Katanandov said.

The events in Kondopoga mark the first time an entire town has been
deserted by natives of the Caucasus, who were forced to flee for their
lives, and it could trigger similar disturbances elsewhere, said Alexander
Verkhovsky, director of the Sova think tank.

On Monday, Chechen Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov voiced concern over
the events in Kondopoga in an official statement, Interfax reported.

"Mass riots are underway in the Karelian town of Kondopoga, and a
conflict between previously convicted drunk young men and a barman, a native
of Chechnya, who made a remark to them, sparked them," the statement reads,
as reported by Interfax.

"The mass riots that followed grew into an ethnic conflict, which
shows clear anti-Chechen and anti-Caucasian attitudes."

The statement also alleged that the local authorities had been
inactive in dealing with the situation. "In this connection," Kadyrov's
statement continues, "I state with all responsibility that should the
Karelian authorities fail to find ways and methods of calming the situation,
we will be able to find legal means that may bring the situation in
compliance with the law . Those guilty should be punished, regardless of
their origins."
Estland
2006-09-07 05:54:14 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians". I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
Henry Alminas
2006-09-07 13:58:14 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians". I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
I believe that one should not rush to
judgement. At this point the only reports
from the region have been produced by
the Kremlin-controlled media. I believe
that all in this forum understand what
that is worth.

According to two reports that I have read
even the Russians admit that this was but
one of many planned pogroms throughout
Russia. Recruits for this "battle" are being
raised in St. Pete and Moscow.

Calls for total ethnic "cleansing" are being
heard from various directions.

As I noted before - wait and see before
deciding what is real and what is not and
what was orchestrated and what was
spontaneous. Certainly Balts should be
well aware of the russkie talents for erecting
"Potemkin villages" of various sorts.

Best - - Henry
Estland
2006-09-07 17:43:43 UTC
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Post by Estland
Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians". I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
I believe that one should not rush to
judgement. At this point the only reports
from the region have been produced by
the Kremlin-controlled media. I believe
that all in this forum understand what
that is worth.
According to two reports that I have read
even the Russians admit that this was but
one of many planned pogroms throughout
Russia. Recruits for this "battle" are being
raised in St. Pete and Moscow.
Calls for total ethnic "cleansing" are being
heard from various directions.
As I noted before - wait and see before
deciding what is real and what is not and
what was orchestrated and what was
spontaneous. Certainly Balts should be
well aware of the russkie talents for erecting
"Potemkin villages" of various sorts.
Best - - Henry
Henry, how can you explain "planned pogrom" ending in all Russians
killed and no single emigrant not even - at least I didn't find it -
injured?
captain.
2006-09-08 01:23:23 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians".I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
i can't help but wonder which words were exchanged between the two groups
that would lead to such a situation.
MTRP™
2006-09-08 06:19:35 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians".I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
i can't help but wonder which words were exchanged between the two groups
that would lead to such a situation.
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
http://gazeta.ru/social/kseno/785078.shtml
J. Anderson
2006-09-08 07:38:04 UTC
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Post by MTRP™
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
No, it's stupidity. Bringing somebody's mother ('momma') or sister into some
quarrel is vulgar, and overreacting (à la Zidane) is stupid.
MTRP™
2006-09-08 08:18:36 UTC
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Post by MTRP™
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
No, it's stupidity. Bringing somebody's mother ('momma') or sister into some
quarrel is vulgar, and overreacting (à la Zidane) is stupid.
Please note that stupidity figures prominently in our majestic
diagnosis, too. The barman should have better let Mr Mozgalev's momma
and sister in peace and argued against vodka instead ... but hey isn't
it strange that a barman comes out as faithful Muslim? What sez newly
converted Mohammad Aluminium?
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-08 09:10:11 UTC
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Post by MTRP™
Post by J. Anderson
Post by MTRP™
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
No, it's stupidity. Bringing somebody's mother ('momma') or sister into some
quarrel is vulgar, and overreacting (à la Zidane) is stupid.
Please note that stupidity figures prominently in our majestic
diagnosis, too. The barman should have better let Mr Mozgalev's momma
and sister in peace and argued against vodka instead ... but hey isn't
it strange that a barman comes out as faithful Muslim? What sez newly
converted Mohammad Aluminium?
But why not?

Look at Christians, especially at catholics. Their main purpose is to
break the Ten Commandments as many times per hour as possible.

The whole Christianity was created specifically for one purpose: to
insult G-d by raping his very first and mos timportant commandment:
"There is only one g-d: I (me). You must not create or worship any
other gods under any circumstances. Ever."

What is Christianity based on? On replacing one single G-d with a trio:
G-d himslf, his son and an entity called "Holy Spirit", of which
nothing is know except that its name sounds kinda impressive.

The next task that Christians undertook is to rape G-d's second
commandment: "You shall not create any images of me or of any humans or
animals."

The whole breakup between Catholics and Greek Orthodoxes went over two
issues:

1. Catholics wanted to insult g-d as much as possible by breaking his
second commandment and putting as many pictures of g-d, Christ,
apostles, local businessmen, animals, etc into their houses of worship
as possible. Orthodix Christians were against it.

2. Catholics thoguht that it was a great idea to forbid Christian
priests from having families, children, sex, even masturbation, because
this deprivation of priests of the most important human needs and urges
- sexuality and having children and peaceful family life - would make
these priests as depraved, depressed, child-molesting, homosexual and
homicidal as possible, which is exactly what the Catholics valued the
most, because they matched their Barbarian "culture".

Curiously enough, a few centuries later, the Greek Orthodoxes suddenly
also turned barbaric too and decided to stuff thie houses of worship
with icons too.

Only Protestants stopped this bakhanaly (sp?), as they decided to more
or less honour the Second Commandment, although they still violate the
First one.

And of course everybody - Christians, Muslims, Jews - joyfully breaks
the Commandment against adultery and extra- and exo-marital sex,
whatever its number is (is it 69?).
captain.
2006-09-09 08:59:29 UTC
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there are no actual pictures of god in christianity. lotsa jesus pics
though!
MTRP™
2006-09-09 09:24:44 UTC
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there are no actual pictures of god in christianity. lotsa jesus pics though!
Notably FAKE Jesus pics ...
captain.
2006-09-10 01:47:24 UTC
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there are no actual pictures of god in christianity. lotsa jesus pics though!
Notably FAKE Jesus pics ...
yeah , they tend to make him a bit too white looking. we need a darker
version.
MTRP™
2006-09-10 20:42:20 UTC
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Post by MTRP™
there are no actual pictures of god in christianity. lotsa jesus pics though!
Notably FAKE Jesus pics ...
yeah , they tend to make him a bit too white looking. we need a darker
version.
No problem.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5326614.stm
Post by captain.
A Japanese legend claims that Jesus escaped Jerusalem and made his
way to Aomori in Japan where he became a rice farmer.
captain.
2006-09-11 11:32:53 UTC
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Post by MTRP™
there are no actual pictures of god in christianity. lotsa jesus pics though!
Notably FAKE Jesus pics ...
yeah , they tend to make him a bit too white looking. we need a darker
version.
No problem.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5326614.stm
Post by captain.
A Japanese legend claims that Jesus escaped Jerusalem and made his
way to Aomori in Japan where he became a rice farmer.
a legend eh? sound's more like a crock o' sh*t to me .
BluntForceTraumaT
2006-09-09 14:37:31 UTC
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Post by captain.
there are no actual pictures of god in christianity. lotsa jesus pics
though!
Huh? Ever been to the Sistine Chapel?

There used to be pix of uncle Mo but the Muslims scratched out all the
faces.

Lately the only pix of Mohamed are in Danish newspaper cartoons.
captain.
2006-09-10 01:49:40 UTC
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Post by captain.
there are no actual pictures of god in christianity. lotsa jesus pics
though!
Huh? Ever been to the Sistine Chapel?
There used to be pix of uncle Mo but the Muslims scratched out all the
faces.
Lately the only pix of Mohamed are in Danish newspaper cartoons.
and the internet of course :)
MTRP™
2006-09-09 12:13:44 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
The whole Christianity was created specifically for one purpose: to
"There is only one g-d: I (me). You must not create or worship any
other gods under any circumstances. Ever."
Who's "G-d" and who was his prophet? Sci has it that monotheism was
invented in the ancient Egypt by Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV,
1364-1347 B.C.) to strengthen the cult of the sun god Ra and thereby
his own authocracy. The rest is mythology. In particular so are the 10
Commandments, aka the Decalogue (D), of the Old Testament (OT). OT was
probably plagiarized from the much older "pagan" Sumerian sources
which, however, did not mention D. Now D was probably plagiarized from
the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi (1728 BC-1686 B.C.) and other pagan
sources written by Hittites or Egyptians.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
What is Christianity based on?
Original, genuine Christianity opposed OT's "an eye for an eye, a tooth
for a tooth" (Exodus 21:23-27) principle of retributive justice, aka
lex talionis (Latin for "law of retaliation"). Its primary goal was to
abolish Old Roman imperial cult of war, conquest and murder (that, in
turn, is plagiarized by contemporary US empire).
BluntForceTraumaT
2006-09-08 09:49:45 UTC
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Post by MTRP™
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
No, it's stupidity. Bringing somebody's mother ('momma') or sister into some
quarrel is vulgar, and overreacting (à la Zidane) is stupid.
Please note that stupidity figures prominently in our majestic
diagnosis, too. The barman should have better let Mr Mozgalev's momma
and sister in peace and argued against vodka instead ... but hey isn't
it strange that a barman comes out as faithful Muslim? What sez newly
converted Mohammad Aluminium?

Good muslims can serve it, they just can't drink it.

Mullah Omar sez Muslims selling opium to Russians is just good clean
fun...and makes a profit too!
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-08 08:44:40 UTC
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Post by MTRP™
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
No, it's stupidity. Bringing somebody's mother ('momma') or sister into some
quarrel is vulgar, and overreacting (à la Zidane) is stupid.
For Zidane - yes, stupid. Because he was in the middle of his work. At
work, when your co-workers insult your female relatives, you act with
restraint.

But this was a group of over-grieved people in a bar - a place
specifically dreated to get drunk and have fistfights - who had just
buried their best firend/relative. When their mother was insulted,
their reaction was completely adequate.

I assure you that if you go to any American, Australian, British or
Irish bar and insult somebody's mother there, you will get exactly the
same response.

And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane, while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
J. Anderson
2006-09-08 09:27:46 UTC
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And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim
that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you)
saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals
(was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union.
Look, Arlamov, I'm not entering into any discussion with you because I'm
simply not wasting my time with rude fanatics. There is nothing secret about
the documentary, and it was certainly seen by at least half a million
others. There has been a foreign prisoner average of 8% during the last five
years. The foreigners are mostly from ex-USSR countries. The authorities
don't publish any statistics on the individual nationalities (for PC
reasons), and that's why the documentary was made.

And there is absolutely nothing surprising in the fact that a majority of
our foreign prisoners are ex-Soviets. Where else would they come from?
Portugal? Finland happens to be the nearest rich country seen from Moscow or
St. Petersburg.
Eugene Holman
2006-09-08 11:07:50 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim
that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you)
saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals
(was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union.
Look, Arlamov, I'm not entering into any discussion with you because I'm
simply not wasting my time with rude fanatics. There is nothing secret about
the documentary, and it was certainly seen by at least half a million
others. There has been a foreign prisoner average of 8% during the last five
years. The foreigners are mostly from ex-USSR countries. The authorities
don't publish any statistics on the individual nationalities (for PC
reasons), and that's why the documentary was made.
And there is absolutely nothing surprising in the fact that a majority of
our foreign prisoners are ex-Soviets. Where else would they come from?
Portugal? Finland happens to be the nearest rich country seen from Moscow or
St. Petersburg.
You forgot to mention Tallinn. A considerable number of the foreigners in
Finnish prisons are citizens of Estonia, both ethnic Estonians and others.
The recent spate of jewelry store robberies in Helsinki, one of which
included crashing a car into a display window and shooting a gun in
central Helsinki during the middle of the day, was committed by a highly
organized gang of ethnic Estonians.

St. Petersburg might still be relatively poor, but Moscow is one of the
richest, glitziest cities on earth right now. Although things were
different five years ago, and some of the Russians in Finnish prisons
might have committed their crimes that long ago, I seriously doubt that
many Moscovites nowadays would travel all the way to Finland, pretty
provincial by their standards, to shoplift.

For statistics on the number of people suspected by the police of having
committed crimes in Finland, see
http://www.om.fi/optula/uploads/sgag5lork5ayj.pdf, table 36.

For those who do not know Finnish the caption "Poliisin tietoon tulleisiin
rikoksiin syylliseksi epäillyt ulkomaalaiset kansalaisuuden mukaan vuonna
2003" means "Foreigners suspected of being guilty of crimes that have come
to the attention of the police according to nationality for the year 2003"


The categories are:

Epäiltyjen lukumäärä - Number of suspects
Epäiltyä, joiden kotipaikka Suomessa - Suspects whose residence is in Finland
Kansalaisia Suomessa - Citizens in Finland
Epäiltyjä 1000 henkeä kohti - Suspects per 1000 people


The countries are:

Venäjä - Russia
Viro - Estonia
Ruotsi - Sweden
Somalia - Somalia
Irak ­ Iraq
Jugoslavia - Yugoslavia
Turkki - Turkey
Iran - Iran
Vietnam - Vietnam
Saksa - Germany
ent. Neuvostoliitto - foremr Soviet Union
Iso-Britannia - United Kingdom
Italia - Italy
Marokko - Morocco
Muut - others



Regards,
Eugnee Holman
Dmitry
2006-09-08 18:16:42 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim
that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you)
saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals
(was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union.
Look, Arlamov, I'm not entering into any discussion with you because I'm
simply not wasting my time with rude fanatics.
You have to give people an equal opportunity. I mean, you have given
much more attention to H&H in the past.
J. Anderson
2006-09-08 18:54:22 UTC
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Post by Dmitry
Post by J. Anderson
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim
that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you)
saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals
(was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union.
Look, Arlamov, I'm not entering into any discussion with you because I'm
simply not wasting my time with rude fanatics.
You have to give people an equal opportunity. I mean, you have given
much more attention to H&H in the past.
To je pravda, starý, but H&H definitely belong here, V. K. Arlamov doesn't.
He's here only to pursue an odd agenda that basically consists of hatred
against whatever is not Russian-Orthodox, Jewish or Russian. It is of course
an interesting experience for me to be hated as a Finn together with
Albanians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens and whatever, but I can't take
such a maniac seriously.
Dmitry
2006-09-08 19:43:32 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
To je pravda, starý, but H&H definitely belong here, V. K. Arlamov doesn't.
All three live in the same continent and share same philosophy.
Post by J. Anderson
He's here only to pursue an odd agenda that basically consists of hatred
against whatever is not Russian-Orthodox, Jewish or Russian. It is of course
an interesting experience for me to be hated as a Finn together with
Albanians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens and whatever, but I can't take
such a maniac seriously.
You were also hated as Finn and Russian (for some peculiar reason:-)))
by the other two. I can't take any of them seriously. All three
promote hatred.
Dmitry
2006-09-20 19:30:16 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
Post by Dmitry
Post by J. Anderson
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim
that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you)
saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals
(was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union.
Look, Arlamov, I'm not entering into any discussion with you because I'm
simply not wasting my time with rude fanatics.
You have to give people an equal opportunity. I mean, you have given
much more attention to H&H in the past.
To je pravda, starý, but H&H definitely belong here, V. K. Arlamov doesn't.
This is a pure discrimination against Western coast residents.
Post by J. Anderson
He's here only to pursue an odd agenda that basically consists of hatred
against whatever is not Russian-Orthodox, Jewish or Russian.
H&H "does" not encourage love&peace either.
Post by J. Anderson
It is of course
an interesting experience for me to be hated as a Finn together with
Albanians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens and whatever, but I can't take
such a maniac seriously.
You've been hated as a Finn together with other ethnic groups and
territorial regions too:-)))) Without the above mentioned individuals
scb would lose a fair bit of its entertainment quality.
J. Anderson
2006-09-20 21:15:55 UTC
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Post by Dmitry
Post by J. Anderson
To je pravda, starý, but H&H definitely belong here,
V. K. Arlamov doesn't.
Without the above mentioned individuals
scb would lose a fair bit of its entertainment quality.
Well, OK then, since you're talking so warmly about them all: Let a thousand
flowers blossom!
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-10 20:32:19 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim
that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you)
saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals
(was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union.
Look, Arlamov, I'm not entering into any discussion with you because I'm
simply not wasting my time with rude fanatics. There is nothing secret about
the documentary, and it was certainly seen by at least half a million
others. There has been a foreign prisoner average of 8% during the last five
years. The foreigners are mostly from ex-USSR countries. The authorities
don't publish any statistics on the individual nationalities (for PC
reasons), and that's why the documentary was made.
And there is absolutely nothing surprising in the fact that a majority of
our foreign prisoners are ex-Soviets. Where else would they come from?
Portugal?
Look, the events in your neighbour Karelia do indeed suggest that some
of your criminals do come from Muslim regions of the Caucuses. It is
indeed not PC to say it but the last week's events have brought it all
out. Watch out: in Karelia the Chechens are organized into nazi-style
stormtrooper units of about 30 nazis per unit, who spend nights killing
Nordic-looking people like youself with knives and nail-spiked bats.
Post by J. Anderson
Finland happens to be the nearest rich country seen from Moscow or
St. Petersburg.
Yes, and it gets some of the same problems with Chechen mafia.
Estland
2006-09-08 18:39:59 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by J. Anderson
Post by MTRP™
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
No, it's stupidity. Bringing somebody's mother ('momma') or sister into some
quarrel is vulgar, and overreacting (à la Zidane) is stupid.
For Zidane - yes, stupid. Because he was in the middle of his work. At
work, when your co-workers insult your female relatives, you act with
restraint.
But this was a group of over-grieved people in a bar - a place
specifically dreated to get drunk and have fistfights - who had just
buried their best firend/relative. When their mother was insulted,
their reaction was completely adequate.
I assure you that if you go to any American, Australian, British or
Irish bar and insult somebody's mother there, you will get exactly the
same response.
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane, while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
You should not try commenting on Baltics except for asking questions
without basic knowledge of the situation. Russians are (considered) one
of major criminal groups in Central and North Europe with a common gang
character in home-made TV series in countries like Germany being
"slavic" having name close to yours. I assure you that this is both
true and simplified, as Ukrainians and others similar characters -
perhaps even sometimes Balts - go into the same category. Russians are
the biggest group of asylum seekers in Europe as well.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-10 20:35:12 UTC
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Post by Estland
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by J. Anderson
Post by MTRP™
A Chechen barman reportedly refused to serve vodka to Mr Mozgalev's
post-burial party of 5 nice local residents (4 Russians, 1 Lithuanian).
Instead, the barman began arguing about Mr Mozgalev's mother and
sister. It's vodka, stupid!
No, it's stupidity. Bringing somebody's mother ('momma') or sister into some
quarrel is vulgar, and overreacting (à la Zidane) is stupid.
For Zidane - yes, stupid. Because he was in the middle of his work. At
work, when your co-workers insult your female relatives, you act with
restraint.
But this was a group of over-grieved people in a bar - a place
specifically dreated to get drunk and have fistfights - who had just
buried their best firend/relative. When their mother was insulted,
their reaction was completely adequate.
I assure you that if you go to any American, Australian, British or
Irish bar and insult somebody's mother there, you will get exactly the
same response.
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane, while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
You should not try commenting on Baltics except for asking questions
without basic knowledge of the situation. Russians are (considered) one
of major criminal groups in Central and North Europe with a common gang
character in home-made TV series in countries like Germany being
"slavic" having name close to yours. I assure you that this is both
true and simplified, as Ukrainians and others similar characters -
perhaps even sometimes Balts - go into the same category. Russians are
the biggest group of asylum seekers in Europe as well.
Well, calling Muslim Caucasians like Chechens and Azeris "Russians" is
a stretch.
The Black Monk
2006-09-13 18:45:23 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane,
...Specifically, mostly from pro-Yanukovich territories of Ukraine
(Dontesk, Krivoy Rog, etc.).

Keeping in mind this clarification, I agree with the rest of your post
and with the other posts on this thread.

regards,

BM
Post by v***@yahoo.com
while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
J. Anderson
2006-09-13 21:10:22 UTC
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Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane,
I agree with the rest of your post
and with the other posts on this thread.
Hmm, so you agree with V. K. Arlamov's claim that the information I've
quoted would be false?

It would be interesting to know just what percentage of ex-Soviet interns in
Finnish prisons would be more credible, if you find 4% impossible to accept?
How about 3.8%?
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-15 00:09:53 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane,
I agree with the rest of your post
and with the other posts on this thread.
Hmm, so you agree with V. K. Arlamov's claim that the information I've
quoted would be false?
You **quoted** some information that proves that the "overwhelming
percentage" of Finnish prison inmates are from Russia and are indeed
Slavic people and not Chechens, Azeris, or other Caucus mafia groups?
When?

Could you please remind me of the exact quote that you gave us and the
exact name and position of the person whose words you were quoting? I
will be very happy to contact him to get his perspective on your
"quote".

As I remember, at first you claimed that all your information about
Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language newspapers.
When I asked you to give an example of such newspaper article, you
couldn't.

This "give me evidence" - "you don't read Finnish" discussion went on
for a long while, until you woke up one day and to your amazement,
discovered that you had been lying to me that all your information
about Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language
newspapers. Instead ... low and behold! ... it now came from a TV
documentary aired long time ago on Finnish TV. And to your amazement,
you, for some inexplicable reason, had copied this documentary, and
this copy was conveniently sitting in front of your eyes. How could oyu
have forgotten about it for so long?!

However, when I asked you to look at your tape and give the exact
quotes in contex, name of the documentary, which TV station it came
from, the production date, and the names of journalists in charge -
you, for some inexplicable reason, couldn't. Were all titles, names
and sources conveniently deleted from your mysterious tape? Or did cat
eat your tongue?

And is it just like the king's new clothes? That is, is it that only
you can see it, while nobody else in the World can? Maybe the king is
indeed naked?
Post by J. Anderson
It would be interesting to know just what percentage of ex-Soviet interns in
Finnish prisons would be more credible, if you find 4% impossible to accept?
How about 3.8%?
Give us the exact quote and the name of the person whom you are
quoting.

Is this too much to ask?
Dmitry
2006-09-15 01:09:48 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
You **quoted** some information that proves that the "overwhelming
percentage" of Finnish prison inmates are from Russia and are indeed
Slavic people and not Chechens, Azeris, or other Caucus mafia groups?
When?
Could you please remind me of the exact quote that you gave us and the
exact name and position of the person whose words you were quoting? I
will be very happy to contact him to get his perspective on your
"quote".
As I remember, at first you claimed that all your information about
Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language newspapers.
When I asked you to give an example of such newspaper article, you
couldn't.
This "give me evidence" - "you don't read Finnish" discussion went on
for a long while, until you woke up one day and to your amazement,
discovered that you had been lying to me that all your information
about Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language
newspapers. Instead ... low and behold! ... it now came from a TV
documentary aired long time ago on Finnish TV. And to your amazement,
you, for some inexplicable reason, had copied this documentary, and
this copy was conveniently sitting in front of your eyes. How could oyu
have forgotten about it for so long?!
However, when I asked you to look at your tape and give the exact
quotes in contex, name of the documentary, which TV station it came
from, the production date, and the names of journalists in charge -
you, for some inexplicable reason, couldn't. Were all titles, names
and sources conveniently deleted from your mysterious tape? Or did cat
eat your tongue?
And is it just like the king's new clothes? That is, is it that only
you can see it, while nobody else in the World can? Maybe the king is
indeed naked?
Post by J. Anderson
It would be interesting to know just what percentage of ex-Soviet interns in
Finnish prisons would be more credible, if you find 4% impossible to accept?
How about 3.8%?
Give us the exact quote and the name of the person whom you are
quoting.
Is this too much to ask?
"which TV station it came from, the production date, and the names of
journalists in charge". What are you going to do when you find out
these details?
J. Anderson
2006-09-15 07:31:53 UTC
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Post by Dmitry
Post by v***@yahoo.com
You **quoted** some information that proves that the "overwhelming
percentage" of Finnish prison inmates are from Russia and are indeed
Slavic people and not Chechens, Azeris, or other Caucus mafia groups?
When?
Could you please remind me of the exact quote that you gave us and the
exact name and position of the person whose words you were quoting? I
will be very happy to contact him to get his perspective on your
"quote".
As I remember, at first you claimed that all your information about
Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language newspapers.
When I asked you to give an example of such newspaper article, you
couldn't.
This "give me evidence" - "you don't read Finnish" discussion went on
for a long while, until you woke up one day and to your amazement,
discovered that you had been lying to me that all your information
about Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language
newspapers. Instead ... low and behold! ... it now came from a TV
documentary aired long time ago on Finnish TV. And to your amazement,
you, for some inexplicable reason, had copied this documentary, and
this copy was conveniently sitting in front of your eyes. How could oyu
have forgotten about it for so long?!
However, when I asked you to look at your tape and give the exact
quotes in contex, name of the documentary, which TV station it came
from, the production date, and the names of journalists in charge -
you, for some inexplicable reason, couldn't. Were all titles, names
and sources conveniently deleted from your mysterious tape? Or did cat
eat your tongue?
And is it just like the king's new clothes? That is, is it that only
you can see it, while nobody else in the World can? Maybe the king is
indeed naked?
Post by J. Anderson
It would be interesting to know just what percentage of ex-Soviet interns in
Finnish prisons would be more credible, if you find 4% impossible to accept?
How about 3.8%?
Give us the exact quote and the name of the person whom you are
quoting.
Is this too much to ask?
"which TV station it came from, the production date, and the names of
journalists in charge". What are you going to do when you find out
these details?
Mr. Arlamov is obviously a schooled disinformer. One of their first rules is
to muddle any awkward debate by consistent fixation on irrelevant details.
In this case he keeps talking about the technical information on an old TV
documentary instead of concentrating on the issue itself, which is that most
of the foreign interns in Finnish prisons are Russian citizens. Why this
fact is so hard for him to accept is beyond comprehension.

Eugene provided him with the link
http://www.optula.om.fi/uploads/sgag5lork5ayj.pdf, which indicates i.a. that
28% of all foreign suspects in Finland in 2003 were Russian citizens (12%
were Estonian and 8% Swedish citizens). To me it seems perfectly natural
that foreign crime in Finland predominantly seeps in from the neighbouring
countries. Where else would it come from?
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-17 08:08:22 UTC
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Post by Dmitry
Post by v***@yahoo.com
You **quoted** some information that proves that the "overwhelming
percentage" of Finnish prison inmates are from Russia and are indeed
Slavic people and not Chechens, Azeris, or other Caucus mafia groups?
When?
Could you please remind me of the exact quote that you gave us and the
exact name and position of the person whose words you were quoting? I
will be very happy to contact him to get his perspective on your
"quote".
As I remember, at first you claimed that all your information about
Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language newspapers.
When I asked you to give an example of such newspaper article, you
couldn't.
This "give me evidence" - "you don't read Finnish" discussion went on
for a long while, until you woke up one day and to your amazement,
discovered that you had been lying to me that all your information
about Russians, Chechens and prison comes from Finnish-language
newspapers. Instead ... low and behold! ... it now came from a TV
documentary aired long time ago on Finnish TV. And to your amazement,
you, for some inexplicable reason, had copied this documentary, and
this copy was conveniently sitting in front of your eyes. How could oyu
have forgotten about it for so long?!
However, when I asked you to look at your tape and give the exact
quotes in context, name of the documentary, which TV station it came
from, the production date, and the names of journalists in charge -
you, for some inexplicable reason, couldn't. Were all titles, names
and sources conveniently deleted from your mysterious tape? Or did cat
eat your tongue?
And is it just like the king's new clothes? That is, is it that only
you can see it, while nobody else in the World can? Maybe the king is
indeed naked?
Post by J. Anderson
It would be interesting to know just what percentage of ex-Soviet interns in
Finnish prisons would be more credible, if you find 4% impossible to accept?
How about 3.8%?
Give us the exact quote and the name of the person whom you are
quoting.
Is this too much to ask?
"which TV station it came from, the production date, and the names of
journalists in charge". What are you going to do when you find out
these details?
I will send an email to the producers of this documentary, asking them
for its transcript, or at least asking them to tell me the relevant
facts.

"Anderon" claims that he has this tape in front of him. All he has to
do is watch the titles and give me the names.

If he had such a tape, he would have had no problem doing it in less
than 5 minutes. But he doesn't have this tape. I bet such documentary
doesn't exist and never existed.

Given his mental handicap, the least John could do is try not to be a
liar and a fabricator. Clearly, this "documentary" is a fabrication of
his. He is one of the most despicable persons I have seen in Usenet
over several decades. I mean, liars, idiots, demagogues etc abound
here, but to fabricate false evidence?! That's truly outstanding.

Look at what his response was to my last post. Leaving aside hot-air
Post by Dmitry
Eugene provided him with the link
http://www.optula.om.fi/uploads/sgag5lork5ayj.pdf, which indicates i.a. that
28% of all foreign suspects in Finland in 2003 were Russian citizens (12%
were Estonian and 8% Swedish citizens).
First of all, I don't recall Eugene ever providing me personally with
this information. I haven't seen it before today.

Second, these are suspects, not criminals.

Third, the above information has no relevance since it doesn't say what
percentage foreigners make up of the Finnish total.

Fourth, "Anderon" specifically claims that these criminal "Russian
citizens" are NOT Chechens. Why not? Aren't Chechens Russian citizens?
Don't they and other Caucus groups make up a disproportionate number of
criminals in Russia and other ex-USSR countries?

Fifth, even if all this were true, this still wouldn't negate the fact
that Anderon has lied to us about his mysterious and convenient
"documentary".

Nor does it negate his first claim which said that the **overwhelming
percentage** of criminals in Finland are Russian citizens but
specifically not Chechens! Specifically!

He is a vicious and pathetic hatemonger and forger.

His claim that the overwhelming percentage of Finnish criminals are
Russians (and, god forbid, not of Chechen heritage!) and consequent
forgeries to cover up his lie, is a perfect of Goebbels-style
propaganda and diehard Cold War mentality. It is common knowledge
among scholars and educated people in general that ethnic Russians do
NOT constitute an overwhelming percentage among Finnish criminals. Ask
almost any EU specialist, and he will gladly tell you that while the
cases of "organised automobile theft, international drug-trafficking
and economic crime over the Finnish-Russian border" do receive a
hysterical coverage in Finland, "they are not numerous in comparison
with Finnish domestic crimes'". "The same can be said of crime in the
Baltics. Statistically, Russian crime has been surprisingly
insignificant in Finland in the 1990s, this too is applicable to the
Baltics." This is nothing more than a legacy from the Cold War and the
inability to relinquish the notion of the Russians as a global
'threat' "[5], which exactly what all of SCB is about.
J. Anderson
2006-09-17 09:31:46 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Dmitry
"which TV station it came from, the production date, and the names of
journalists in charge". What are you going to do when you find out
these details?
I will send an email to the producers of this documentary, asking them
for its transcript, or at least asking them to tell me the relevant
facts.
"Anderon" claims that he has this tape in front of him. All he has to
do is watch the titles and give me the names.
That was months ago. The tape is no longer 'in front of me', you pathetic
stalker, and I have other things to do than service you with irrelevant
details.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
He is one of the most despicable persons I have seen in Usenet
over several decades.
'Decades', indeed. And thank you, by the way: if you find me repugnant, I
must be on the right track. That seems to explain why most people like me.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
First of all, I don't recall Eugene ever providing me personally with
this information. I haven't seen it before today.
Second, these are suspects, not criminals.
So what. For lack of publicized figures on prisoner nationalities, this
gives an indication of the general distribution of crime in Finland.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Third, the above information has no relevance since it doesn't say what
percentage foreigners make up of the Finnish total.
We are talking about foreigners, not Finns. The total is irrelevant. (But I
might add that in relation to the population there are ten times more people
in jail in Russia than in Finland. You will of course claim that they are
all Chechens.)
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Fourth, "Anderon" specifically claims that these criminal "Russian
citizens" are NOT Chechens.
'Anderon' does nothing of the sort. Contrary to practices in Russia,
prisoners in Finland are not registered by ethnicity, only by (passport)
nationality. 'Russian' = citizen of the Russian Federation.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Fifth, even if all this were true, this still wouldn't negate the fact
that Anderon has lied to us about his mysterious and convenient
"documentary".
'Anderon' has no need to lie about anything. There was nothing revolutionary
in the documentary, and he is not going to find the cassette again, nor is
he going to wind through its 180 minutes of content just to satisfy your odd
obsession with this TV doc. You can contact the Finnish Broadcasting Company
yourself and enquire about it: http://www.yle.fi/fbc/index.shtml
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Nor does it negate his first claim which said that the **overwhelming
percentage** of criminals in Finland are Russian citizens but
specifically not Chechens! Specifically!
Give me a link to such a claim.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
He is a vicious and pathetic hatemonger and forger.
Are you suddenly describing yourself? I don't hate people by nationality,
but everybody here has already been able to draw their conclusions about you
in this respect. Keywords: Chechens, Albanians.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
His claim that the overwhelming percentage of Finnish criminals are
Russians (and, god forbid, not of Chechen heritage!) and consequent
forgeries to cover up his lie, is a perfect of Goebbels-style
propaganda
Let's take a look at Goebbels at work. Read the sentence: 'His claim that
the overwhelming percentage of Finnish criminals are Russians' and think it
over. How could I have said that, considering that the percentage of
foreigners in Finnish prisons is less than 10%? I have been talking about
the foreigners, and among them the Russians (of whatever ethnicity) are
clearly the biggest group.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
It is common knowledge
among scholars and educated people in general that ethnic Russians do
NOT constitute an overwhelming percentage among Finnish criminals.
Any claim beginning with the words 'It is common knowledge among scholars'
is inevitably followed by some weird fabrication. Like I said, the ethnicity
of foreign prisoners in Finland is not registered, only their nationality.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Ask
almost any EU specialist, and he will gladly tell you that while the
cases of "organised automobile theft, international drug-trafficking
and economic crime over the Finnish-Russian border" do receive a
hysterical coverage in Finland, "they are not numerous in comparison
with Finnish domestic crimes'". "The same can be said of crime in the
Baltics. Statistically, Russian crime has been surprisingly
insignificant in Finland in the 1990s, this too is applicable to the
Baltics." This is nothing more than a legacy from the Cold War and the
inability to relinquish the notion of the Russians as a global
'threat' "[5], which exactly what all of SCB is about.
You are quoting verbatim without providing a source. Even 'Anderon' wouldn't
do such a thing. In all his hateful viciousness.

And now he has spent enough time in your company.
d***@comcast.net
2006-09-19 01:57:04 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
That was months ago. The tape is no longer 'in front of me', you pathetic
stalker, and I have other things to do than service you with irrelevant
details.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
He is one of the most despicable persons I have seen in Usenet
over several decades.
'Decades', indeed. And thank you, by the way: if you find me repugnant, I
must be on the right track. That seems to explain why most people like me.
Ponas "Anderon". I note your post with some envy. Not in any of my
attempts to cause an eruption of Mount Karla did I receive the
lava-like flow of bizarreness and spite that you have succeeded in
extracting from him.

Well done my friend. Well done.

Vidas
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
2006-09-19 20:37:13 UTC
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Post by d***@comcast.net
Post by J. Anderson
That was months ago. The tape is no longer 'in front of me', you pathetic
stalker, and I have other things to do than service you with irrelevant
details.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
He is one of the most despicable persons I have seen in Usenet
over several decades.
'Decades', indeed. And thank you, by the way: if you find me repugnant, I
must be on the right track. That seems to explain why most people like me.
Ponas "Anderon". I note your post with some envy. Not in any of my
attempts to cause an eruption of Mount Karla did I receive the
lava-like flow of bizarreness and spite that you have succeeded in
extracting from him.
Well done my friend. Well done.
Vidas
Ponas Anderonas has been batting really well of late. His unanswered
local geography lesson for Holman will stand as a classic.

/P
J. Anderson
2006-09-20 07:23:47 UTC
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Post by Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Post by d***@comcast.net
Post by J. Anderson
That was months ago. The tape is no longer 'in front of me', you pathetic
stalker, and I have other things to do than service you with irrelevant
details.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
He is one of the most despicable persons I have seen in Usenet
over several decades.
'Decades', indeed. And thank you, by the way: if you find me repugnant, I
must be on the right track. That seems to explain why most people like me.
Ponas "Anderon". I note your post with some envy. Not in any of my
attempts to cause an eruption of Mount Karla did I receive the
lava-like flow of bizarreness and spite that you have succeeded in
extracting from him.
Well done my friend. Well done.
Vidas
Ponas Anderonas has been batting really well of late. His unanswered
local geography lesson for Holman will stand as a classic.
Thank you, gentlemen! (Although Ponas Holmanis actually did reply to the
Kontupohja post.)

Ma la lotta continua!

Regards,
Jonas
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-21 01:19:33 UTC
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Post by Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Post by d***@comcast.net
Post by J. Anderson
That was months ago. The tape is no longer 'in front of me', you pathetic
stalker, and I have other things to do than service you with irrelevant
details.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
He is one of the most despicable persons I have seen in Usenet
over several decades.
'Decades', indeed. And thank you, by the way: if you find me repugnant, I
must be on the right track. That seems to explain why most people like me.
Ponas "Anderon". I note your post with some envy. Not in any of my
attempts to cause an eruption of Mount Karla did I receive the
lava-like flow of bizarreness and spite that you have succeeded in
extracting from him.
Well done my friend. Well done.
Vidas
Ponas Anderonas has been batting really well of late. His unanswered
local geography lesson for Holman will stand as a classic.
Tell me, Peteris, after you seriously compare the "intelligence" level
of people like Anderson to that of Eugene, what conclusions can neutral
observers make about you? Either that you have the same IQ as "Mama H"
and "Anderon", or that you will go to any length and any embarassment
to pursue your political agenda.

Dmitry
2006-09-18 22:15:05 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Given his mental handicap, the least John could do is try not to be a
liar and a fabricator.
Or dear! You do sound like MH.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-14 02:40:59 UTC
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Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane,
...Specifically, mostly from pro-Yanukovich territories of Ukraine
(Dontesk, Krivoy Rog, etc.).
Why don't you produce me any reliable evidence that says that, per
capita, Western Ukraine has produced fewer prostitutes than Eastern
Ukraine?
Post by The Black Monk
Keeping in mind this clarification, I agree with the rest of your post
and with the other posts on this thread.
regards,
BM
Post by v***@yahoo.com
while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
The Black Monk
2006-09-14 14:22:17 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4%?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukriane,
...Specifically, mostly from pro-Yanukovich territories of Ukraine
(Dontesk, Krivoy Rog, etc.).
Why don't you produce me any reliable evidence that says that, per
capita, Western Ukraine has produced fewer prostitutes than Eastern
Ukraine?
According to this research done in coopreration with Zaporozhia state
University, although this problem exists everywhere, the lowest number
of trafficked/prostituted women are from Ukraine's western oblasts.
Kiev, Dnipropetrovsk, and the cities of the Black Sea region were the
largest. Crimea was the largest source for such women (and, of course,
its population is much smaller than for example Lviv's):

According to law enforcement officials, the largest sources of
prostitutes were Luhansk, Denepropretrovsk, Zaporizhia, Donestsk,
Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kiev, Lviv, etc.

A corresponding list of women recruited for marriage agencies shows,
within Ukraine, almost all from Yanukovich-land. In all of Lviv oblast
only 41 women were; in Crimea 5515 were. This phenomenon is linked to
prostitution.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:Ejwvp7totS0J:www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/ukraine_report.pdf+ukraine+prostitution+lviv&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=27

Of course, the anecdotal evidence is enormous. Here is a child porn
ring based in Kiev but wuith branch offices from Kharkov and
Simferopol:

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/06-04-2005/8021-girls-0

HIV in Odessa:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/europe/843331.stm

In general, on the internet, if the origins of any "Ukrainian"
prostitutes, or associated problems such as AIDS, are discussed, they
are from Yanukovich-territory. Even the American expat newspaper in
Moscow, which frequently includes its writers' exploits with
prostitutes, has called those people Yanukovich-land's greatest export.


Do you think this is all a coincidence?

regards,

BM
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Keeping in mind this clarification, I agree with the rest of your post
and with the other posts on this thread.
regards,
BM
Post by v***@yahoo.com
while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-14 23:23:41 UTC
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Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4 %?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukraine,
...Specifically, mostly from pro-Yanukovich territories of Ukraine
(Dontesk, Krivoy Rog, etc.).
Why don't you produce me any reliable evidence that says that, per
capita, Western Ukraine has produced fewer prostitutes than Eastern
Ukraine?
According to this research done in coopreration with Zaporozhia state
University, although this problem exists everywhere, the lowest number
of trafficked/prostituted women are from Ukraine's western oblasts.
Kiev, Dnipropetrovsk, and the cities of the Black Sea region were the
largest. Crimea was the largest source for such women (and, of course,
Data from that study please. Were these numbers absolute or per capita?
How reliable are Zaporozhia State University scientists? Do any of them
come from anti-Yanukovich country?
Post by The Black Monk
According to law enforcement officials, the largest sources of
prostitutes were Luhansk, Denepropretrovsk,
Isn't that where Yuschenko is from? Is he counted among prostitutes? He
should. I hear he has been selling himself, his wife, his children and
all of Ukraine to the highest bidder among NATO countries. Selling
bodies of Ukrainian boys to NATO to die in hellholes like Iraq or to
destroy their own Serbian brothers.
Post by The Black Monk
Zaporizhia, Donestsk,
Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kiev, Lviv, etc.
In other words, some of the biggest cities. From both West, East and
Center. Are you suprised that large cities produce more prostitutes
than small ones? I mean, if the metropolis like Kiev produces100,000
while the town of Zhmerinki produces only 99,000, which place produces
more prostitutes per capita?

And why is the capital of Yanukovich country, Kharkiv, not there? Why
is the prostitution in Lviv - the capital of anti-Yanukovich country -
higher than in Kharkiv, even though Lviv is a much smaller city?!!
Haven't you just tied a noose around your own neck?
Post by The Black Monk
A corresponding list of women recruited for marriage agencies shows,
within Ukraine, almost all from Yanukovich-land. In all of Lviv oblast
only 41 women were; in Crimea 5515 were. This phenomenon is linked to
prostitution.
That's total bull. You are confusing marriage with prostitution. They
may be the same to you, but not to most women. I know of several women
who didn't marry their husbands for money. I really do! :-)

Marriage agencies are perfectly legit and allow lonely women to start
families. Yes, some marriage agencies are aimed at men abroad. They
place poor Ukrainian women into marriages with economically secure
Westerners and/or Moscovites.

Of course few Lviv women are looking for husbands: they are to busy
making money through prostitution.
Post by The Black Monk
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:Ejwvp7totS0J:www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/ukraine_report.pdf+ukraine+prostitution+lviv&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=27
Of course, the anecdotal evidence is enormous.
Yes, it is. I hear stories about masses of prostitutes from Western
Ukraine all the time. Most prostitutes in Moscow, when speaking among
themselves, speak in Ukrainian. Now since you agree that Eastern
Ukraine, Crimea and Odessa are Russian-language country, you have to
deduce that most prostitutes are from Kiev and West of it. As you
yourself mention several times, Lviv, the capital of Ukrainian
ultra-nationalism, russophobia, xenophobia and judophobia is a major
source of prostitutes.
Post by The Black Monk
Here is a child porn
ring based in Kiev but wuith branch offices from Kharkov and
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/06-04-2005/8021-girls-0
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/europe/843331.stm
No, let's not go there. Carefully selected examples don't prove
anything. I can dig up a Yakut, who is a famous math professor. Does it
prove that Yakuts own moden science of mathematics? :-) Is Perelman a
Yakut name?

I can also present to you an example of a man from Chukotka who owns
the Chelsea football club. Does that mean that disproportionately many
Chukchas are circumcised, celebrate Passover and own English Premier
League clubs?

The last time I allowed you to change subjects through irrelevant
examples, we drifted off the course concerning Petlura, and ended up
discussing Ukraine's most revered doctor of sciences David Duke. Then
you accused Limonov, Avel Linderman and the Israeli NBP party of
virulent antisemitism and of being responsible for race attacks all
over the world, and then you explained to me why violent anti-Jewish
pogroms and race riots in USA prove that there is no antisemitism here.
Your point was that while the Crown Heights pogroms were aimed at Jews,
Los Angeles pogroms were aimed against all white people (Jews
especially), which to you, is proof that there is no racist violence in
USA. Similarly, you pointed out David Duke, who has been an extremely
popular elected official in the United States. You reminded me that a
book of this freely elected modern American legislator was on sale by
some vendor inside the Russian Duma to Russian legislators. We then
went on to discuss one of the most prominent and largest Ukrainian
Universities, which produces the largest number of Ukraine's
political leaders and administrators an is totally dedicated to
spreading racism and antisemitism all over Ukraine. Again, the
existence of this University and David Duke's being a Ph.D student
there and then successfully defending his antisemitic dissertation and
receiving the coveted doctorate degree there, is proof that there is no
antisemitism in Ukraine or USA, and that it's all the fault of Russian
parliamentarians and universities, who had dissed Duke and Ukraine by
refusing to bestow any honors or degrees on him.

Your ability to demagogue and destroy the whole discussion by
constantly shifting topics and by turning faults into virtues, is
awe-inspiring and jaw-dropping.
Post by The Black Monk
In general, on the internet, if the origins of any "Ukrainian"
prostitutes, or associated problems such as AIDS, are discussed, they
are from Yanukovich-territory.
No, they are from Lviv territory. Except for Tymoshenko herself.... But
she is a very high priced one.
Post by The Black Monk
Even the American expat newspaper in
Moscow, which frequently includes its writers' exploits with
prostitutes, has called those people Yanukovich-land's greatest export.
That was written when Yanukovich was the Prime Minister of *all* of
Ukraine. And he still is.

Stop insulting my intelligence with demagoguery.
Post by The Black Monk
Do you think this is all a coincidence?
That Yanukovich was the Prime Minister of Ukraine under both Kuchma and
Yuschenko? Hardly a coincidence.


How about you. Does the appearance of Kiev and the relatively small
city of Lviv on the top of the list of prostitution cities prove that
there no prostitutes in/from Kiev and Lviv? Or do you consider Lviv and
Kiev to be "yanukovich country"?


Look, use common sense. You and your side have always claimed that East
Ukrainians are just like Russians, while West Ukrainians are the very
opposite. Therefore, you would expect the level of per capita
prostitution among Russian girls to be the same as among East Ukraine
girls.

But even you proudly claim that Ukrainians are disproportionately
represented among prostitutes compared to Russians. You just quoted the
Exxile calling prostitutes Ukrainian PrimeMinister's "greatest export".


Simple logic tells us that these overwhelming prostitute masses must
come form the West.
Post by The Black Monk
regards,
BM
Cheers to you! And keep it all in perspective. What does all this
prove? That Ukrainian girls are the most attractive and sexy on Earth,
which is true, if you don't count the girls from Rostov and other
southern Russian cities.
Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Keeping in mind this clarification, I agree with the rest of your post
and with the other posts on this thread.
regards,
BM
Post by v***@yahoo.com
while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
Kvebekski
2006-09-15 01:17:42 UTC
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***@yahoo.com wrote:


My advise: Don't expect too much...
The Black Monk
2006-09-15 13:43:22 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And BTW lets go back to your idiotic claim that you have a secret copy
of a Finnish documentary (seen only by you) saying that severeal
percentage points of imprisoned criminals (was it 2% or 4 %?) in Finland
come from the former Soviet Union. I am sure you invented it and it's
false, but if this were the case, then the vast majority of the
ex-Soviet prostitutes would be from Ukraine,
...Specifically, mostly from pro-Yanukovich territories of Ukraine
(Dontesk, Krivoy Rog, etc.).
Why don't you produce me any reliable evidence that says that, per
capita, Western Ukraine has produced fewer prostitutes than Eastern
Ukraine?
According to this research done in coopreration with Zaporozhia state
University, although this problem exists everywhere, the lowest number
of trafficked/prostituted women are from Ukraine's western oblasts.
Kiev, Dnipropetrovsk, and the cities of the Black Sea region were the
largest. Crimea was the largest source for such women (and, of course,
Data from that study please. Were these numbers absolute or per capita?
How reliable are Zaporozhia State University scientists? Do any of them
come from anti-Yanukovich country?
That's the best information out there, although it admittedly has its
limitations...
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
According to law enforcement officials, the largest sources of
prostitutes were Luhansk, Denepropretrovsk,
Isn't that where Yuschenko is from? Is he counted among prostitutes?
He's from Sumy.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
He
should. I hear he has been selling himself, his wife, his children and
all of Ukraine to the highest bidder among NATO countries. Selling
bodies of Ukrainian boys to NATO to die in hellholes like Iraq or to
destroy their own Serbian brothers.
Things brings up an interesting but unrelated point. Since every NATO
member has veto power over NATO actions, Ukraine within NATO
(especially with someone like Yanukovich as PM) would prevent future
actions like the invasion of Yugoslavia.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Zaporizhia, Donestsk,
Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kiev, Lviv, etc.
In other words, some of the biggest cities. From both West, East and
Center. Are you suprised that large cities produce more prostitutes
than small ones? I mean, if the metropolis like Kiev produces100,000
while the town of Zhmerinki produces only 99,000, which place produces
more prostitutes per capita?
Actually, Lviv was near the bottom of that list, well behind far
smaller pro-Yanukovich cities such as Kherson.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
And why is the capital of Yanukovich country, Kharkiv, not there? Why
is the prostitution in Lviv - the capital of anti-Yanukovich country -
higher than in Kharkiv, even though Lviv is a much smaller city?!!
Haven't you just tied a noose around your own neck?
Actually, the true heartland of Yanukovich territory are Donetsk and
Luhansk, at the top of the list. Luhanks is comparable in size to
Lviv.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
A corresponding list of women recruited for marriage agencies shows,
within Ukraine, almost all from Yanukovich-land. In all of Lviv oblast
only 41 women were; in Crimea 5515 were. This phenomenon is linked to
prostitution.
That's total bull. You are confusing marriage with prostitution. They
may be the same to you, but not to most women. I know of several women
who didn't marry their husbands for money. I really do! :-)
The researchers themselves - not me - made that link in their article.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Marriage agencies are perfectly legit and allow lonely women to start
families. Yes, some marriage agencies are aimed at men abroad. They
place poor Ukrainian women into marriages with economically secure
Westerners and/or Moscovites.
And, according to that article by people from Zaporozhia State
University, such agencies are linked to prostitution.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Of course few Lviv women are looking for husbands: they are to busy
making money through prostitution.
A claim not supported by this or any other article.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:Ejwvp7totS0J:www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/ukraine_report.pdf+ukraine+prostitution+lviv&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=27
Of course, the anecdotal evidence is enormous.
Yes, it is. I hear stories about masses of prostitutes from Western
Ukraine all the time. Most prostitutes in Moscow, when speaking among
themselves, speak in Ukrainian. Now since you agree that Eastern
Ukraine, Crimea and Odessa are Russian-language country, you have to
deduce that most prostitutes are from Kiev and West of it.
Actually, the article stated that most "Ukrainian" prostitutes in
Russia come from eastern Ukraine (Luhansk, Donetsk, etc.). The Exile
once interviewed some of them, and included their pro-Yanukovich
expressions.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
As you
yourself mention several times, Lviv, the capital of Ukrainian
ultra-nationalism, russophobia, xenophobia and judophobia is a major
source of prostitutes.
It's somewhere in 10th place, even though it has about 850,000 people.
For example, Nikolayev (population 514,000) and Kherson (population
300,000) were higher on the list. Zaporizhia, at the top of the list,
has approximately Lviv's population.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Here is a child porn
ring based in Kiev but wuith branch offices from Kharkov and
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/06-04-2005/8021-girls-0
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/europe/843331.stm
No, let's not go there. Carefully selected examples don't prove
anything.
I agree. But a metaanalysis involving numerous examples can point to
certain trends. Google "prostitutes" and "Ukraine" and the articles
overwhelmingly are about eastern Ukraine or the capital.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
I can dig up a Yakut, who is a famous math professor. Does it
prove that Yakuts own moden science of mathematics? :-) Is Perelman a
Yakut name?
I can also present to you an example of a man from Chukotka who owns
the Chelsea football club. Does that mean that disproportionately many
Chukchas are circumcised, celebrate Passover and own English Premier
League clubs?
The last time I allowed you to change subjects through irrelevant
examples, we drifted off the course concerning Petlura, and ended up
discussing Ukraine's most revered doctor of sciences David Duke. Then
you accused Limonov, Avel Linderman and the Israeli NBP party of
virulent antisemitism and of being responsible for race attacks all
over the world, and then you explained to me why violent anti-Jewish
pogroms and race riots in USA prove that there is no antisemitism here.
Your point was that while the Crown Heights pogroms were aimed at Jews,
Los Angeles pogroms were aimed against all white people (Jews
especially),
which to you, is proof that there is no racist violence in
USA. Similarly, you pointed out David Duke, who has been an extremely
popular elected official in the United States. You reminded me that a
book of this freely elected modern American legislator was on sale by
some vendor inside the Russian Duma to Russian legislators. We then
went on to discuss one of the most prominent and largest Ukrainian
Universities, which produces the largest number of Ukraine's
political leaders and administrators an is totally dedicated to
spreading racism and antisemitism all over Ukraine.
Again, the
existence of this University and David Duke's being a Ph.D student
there and then successfully defending his antisemitic dissertation and
receiving the coveted doctorate degree there, is proof that there is no
antisemitism in Ukraine or USA, and that it's all the fault of Russian
parliamentarians and universities, who had dissed Duke and Ukraine by
refusing to bestow any honors or degrees on him.
Your ability to demagogue and destroy the whole discussion by
constantly shifting topics and by turning faults into virtues, is
awe-inspiring and jaw-dropping.
Are you trying to imitate (a caricature of) me with the diversion
above? I will be happy to discuss the claims above on another
thread...
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
In general, on the internet, if the origins of any "Ukrainian"
prostitutes, or associated problems such as AIDS, are discussed, they
are from Yanukovich-territory.
No, they are from Lviv territory. Except for Tymoshenko herself.... But
she is a very high priced one.
Actually the research from the article I posted contradicts your claim.
Do you have contrary evidence? Let's see it...
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Even the American expat newspaper in
Moscow, which frequently includes its writers' exploits with
prostitutes, has called those people Yanukovich-land's greatest export.
That was written when Yanukovich was the Prime Minister of *all* of
Ukraine. And he still is.
The article explicitly stated that Moscow's prostitutes were from
eastern/southern Ukraine:

http://www.exile.ru/2004-December-10/whore-r_stories.html

The article begins:

"Lola, my whore, came from Severodonetsk, a toxic dump in the Lugansk
oblast, the Russified east of Ukraine. I rented her late on Sunday,
November 28th -- the same day that the Ukrainian governors of several
pro-Yanukovich regions were holding a congress in Severodonetsk,
threatening to create a breakaway southeastern Ukrainian republic if
the "orange" revolution in Kiev succeeded. It was one of those
coincidences that writers invent to give a sordid story some relevance
-- but invention in this case isn't necessary. We're talking about
whores here, folks. Any john in Moscow knows that Yanukovich country,
the pro-Russian southeast of Ukraine, is the snapper-basket of Europe,
the white world's most fertile breeding ground for whores, the Golden
Triangle of prostitution production."

Now, ordinarily, these would merely be the words of a ty[ical
expatriate degenerate in Moscow. However, his observation clearly
matches the scientific data from the study by the researcher from
Zaporozhia State University that I posted earlier.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Stop insulting my intelligence with demagoguery.
Post by The Black Monk
Do you think this is all a coincidence?
That Yanukovich was the Prime Minister of Ukraine under both Kuchma and
Yuschenko? Hardly a coincidence.
How about you. Does the appearance of Kiev and the relatively small
city of Lviv on the top of the list of prostitution cities prove that
there no prostitutes in/from Kiev and Lviv? Or do you consider Lviv and
Kiev to be "yanukovich country"?
Actually, Lviv was nearer to the bottom of the list. Kiev is the
capital and largest city, so it being at the top of the list is not
suprising.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Look, use common sense. You and your side have always claimed that East
Ukrainians are just like Russians,
Not at all. Russia has remarkably transformed itself since the 1990's.
Donetsk and Luhansk are the prole Sovok shitholes they have always
been. East Ukraine has as much in common with Russia as Detroit
Michigan has with San Fransicsco.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
while West Ukrainians are the very
opposite. Therefore, you would expect the level of per capita
prostitution among Russian girls to be the same as among East Ukraine
girls.
No, for the reasons I described above. Russian culture (like
Ukrainian) is growing stronger. Donetsk and Luhansk, largely created
during Soviet times and in their essence entirely Soviet entities, are
dead ends. They are not Russian, but (Russian-speaking) Soviet. While
the people of Russia itself can return to the glorious history of their
country, with its rich and unparralleled cultural traditions to fall
back on, the Sovoks of Donetsk have only the culture of five year
plans, Khrushchovki architecture, etc. I mean, look at the noteable
people of Donetsk or Luhansk or Dnipropetrovsk in the respective
wikipedia articles. Most of them are either athletes or corrupt
politicans. The only real exception in Yanukovich territory (and it is
an exception) is Odessa, with its rich Jewish tradition. But
unfortunately, most of those Jews have left. Leaving behind a
population that votes for a guy (Yanukovich) who refered to the poet
"Akhmetova" in one of his speeches.

It may seem that I am digressing here, but the phenomenon of
prostitution is linked to the cultural context.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
But even you proudly claim that Ukrainians are disproportionately
represented among prostitutes compared to Russians. You just quoted the
Exxile calling prostitutes Ukrainian PrimeMinister's "greatest export".
Specifically, East Ukrainians.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Simple logic tells us that these overwhelming prostitute masses must
come form the West.
Post by The Black Monk
regards,
BM
Cheers to you! And keep it all in perspective. What does all this
prove? That Ukrainian girls are the most attractive and sexy on Earth,
which is true, if you don't count the girls from Rostov and other
southern Russian cities.
Ukrainian and Russian girls, including the ones from East Ukraine, are
the most attractive on Earth. Even 70 years of Communism couldn't
erase that. On that we can agree.

best wishes,

BM

I
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by The Black Monk
Keeping in mind this clarification, I agree with the rest of your post
and with the other posts on this thread.
regards,
BM
Post by v***@yahoo.com
while the vast majority of
drug dealers are actually gangsters from Kosovo and Albania (the people
who religiously and mentally on the same level as Caucuses thugs), with
the rest being from Caucuses. I bet that the number of ethnic Russian
criminals in Finland is overwhelmingly small (close to zero), just as
the number of ethnic Russians/Slavs/Finnics among criminals and mafia
people in Moscow is overwhelmingly small, except for prostitutes who
are indeed mostly Slavic: from Ukraine.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-08 08:24:52 UTC
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Post by captain.
Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians".I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
i can't help but wonder which words were exchanged between the two groups
that would lead to such a situation.
Once on my first backtrip to Moscow after a 10 year absence, I went to
a farmers market in Moscow. There are probably some 50 of them all over
the city. It was in late May. At these markets, you can always ask the
seller to taste their wares before buying. So, I asked one seller to
giv eme a taste of a melon. She did. I said: "Oh it tastes great. How
much ode sit cost?". Her answer was: "Ten dollars per kilo". My jaw
dropped (you see, I forgot that May is not a melon season yet and
melons may cost 20 times more in May than in September). She gor really
upset: "I ruined a whole melon for you!". Immediately several gentlemen
with knives appeared. You see, if you like a fruit's taste, you must
buy it. I quickly moved to another part of the market but nobody in th
ewhole market agreed to sell me anything, even without trying. The
three goons with knives followed me. So I wnet back to the car. They
went out after me and carefully wrote down my licence plate.

You see, virtually all farming food supply places were and still are
owned and staffed by a centralized Caucus mafia group, who harass and
injure shoppers on a regular basis. Same goes for many other busineses
like bars, strip bars, casinos, prostitution houses, etc, etc,
although, different trades may be owned by different Caucus mafia.

Do you remember the wild 1990s, when the mafia forced all Russian small
businessmen to pay them monthly ransom of about 50% of revenue for not
killing them and burning down their businesses? Well, the majority of
these mafia groups were from Caucuses. The sight of a young Caucaus man
in a sports suit usually meant that you were about to be killed or
robbed or both.

This is a background for you on the conflict in Karelia and on why
there is so much similar fear and hatred in the rest of Russia.
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
2006-09-08 23:07:06 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by captain.
Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians".I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
i can't help but wonder which words were exchanged between the two groups
that would lead to such a situation.
Once on my first backtrip to Moscow after a 10 year absence, I went to
a farmers market in Moscow. There are probably some 50 of them all over
the city. It was in late May. At these markets, you can always ask the
seller to taste their wares before buying. So, I asked one seller to
giv eme a taste of a melon. She did. I said: "Oh it tastes great. How
much ode sit cost?". Her answer was: "Ten dollars per kilo". My jaw
dropped (you see, I forgot that May is not a melon season yet and
melons may cost 20 times more in May than in September). She gor really
upset: "I ruined a whole melon for you!". Immediately several gentlemen
with knives appeared. You see, if you like a fruit's taste, you must
buy it. I quickly moved to another part of the market but nobody in th
ewhole market agreed to sell me anything, even without trying. The
three goons with knives followed me. So I wnet back to the car. They
went out after me and carefully wrote down my licence plate.
You see, virtually all farming food supply places were and still are
owned and staffed by a centralized Caucus mafia group, who harass and
injure shoppers on a regular basis. Same goes for many other busineses
like bars, strip bars, casinos, prostitution houses, etc, etc,
although, different trades may be owned by different Caucus mafia.
Do you remember the wild 1990s, when the mafia forced all Russian small
businessmen to pay them monthly ransom of about 50% of revenue for not
killing them and burning down their businesses? Well, the majority of
these mafia groups were from Caucuses. The sight of a young Caucaus man
in a sports suit usually meant that you were about to be killed or
robbed or both.
This is a background for you on the conflict in Karelia and on why
there is so much similar fear and hatred in the rest of Russia.
The "how much ode sit cost" is so complex, Karlamov! How very poetic
you are! It is curious, though, that you sound exactly like the worst
of the lowest of the meanest of fascist racists, rearing their dubious
heads more than a decade ago -- I mean, concretely, when it came to
farmers' markets.

I'm so glad we got beyond that, here in the civilized world! It must be
much harder to progress in Soviet California...

Vsego khoroshego,
/P

http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
The Black Monk
2006-09-13 18:47:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
The "how much ode sit cost" is so complex, Karlamov! How very poetic
you are! It is curious, though, that you sound exactly like the worst
of the lowest of the meanest of fascist racists, rearing their dubious
heads more than a decade ago -- I mean, concretely, when it came to
farmers' markets.
How it sounds is irrelevent as long as it is true. And because his
description is similar to others' experiences there's no reason to
think it isn't true.

regards,

BM
Post by Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
I'm so glad we got beyond that, here in the civilized world! It must be
much harder to progress in Soviet California...
Vsego khoroshego,
/P
http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
captain.
2006-09-09 09:13:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by captain.
Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians".I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
i can't help but wonder which words were exchanged between the two groups
that would lead to such a situation.
Once on my first backtrip to Moscow after a 10 year absence, I went to
a farmers market in Moscow. There are probably some 50 of them all over
the city. It was in late May. At these markets, you can always ask the
seller to taste their wares before buying. So, I asked one seller to
giv eme a taste of a melon. She did. I said: "Oh it tastes great. How
much ode sit cost?". Her answer was: "Ten dollars per kilo". My jaw
dropped (you see, I forgot that May is not a melon season yet and
melons may cost 20 times more in May than in September). She gor really
upset: "I ruined a whole melon for you!". Immediately several gentlemen
with knives appeared. You see, if you like a fruit's taste, you must
buy it. I quickly moved to another part of the market but nobody in th
ewhole market agreed to sell me anything, even without trying. The
three goons with knives followed me. So I wnet back to the car. They
went out after me and carefully wrote down my licence plate.
You see, virtually all farming food supply places were and still are
owned and staffed by a centralized Caucus mafia group, who harass and
injure shoppers on a regular basis. Same goes for many other busineses
like bars, strip bars, casinos, prostitution houses, etc, etc,
although, different trades may be owned by different Caucus mafia.
Do you remember the wild 1990s, when the mafia forced all Russian small
businessmen to pay them monthly ransom of about 50% of revenue for not
killing them and burning down their businesses? Well, the majority of
these mafia groups were from Caucuses. The sight of a young Caucaus man
in a sports suit usually meant that you were about to be killed or
robbed or both.
This is a background for you on the conflict in Karelia and on why
there is so much similar fear and hatred in the rest of Russia.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
Dmitry
2006-09-09 22:41:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by captain.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
These are two completely different things. Besides, do you really
think that Russian government gives a ***t about 'average Russians'?
captain.
2006-09-10 02:24:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
These are two completely different things. Besides, do you really
think that Russian government gives a ***t about 'average Russians'?
no. the way that they treated the beslan relatives showed just how much they
care.
as for being two different things, please explain. isn't it equivalent to
distrusting your own fellow countrymen?
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
2006-09-10 08:02:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by captain.
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
These are two completely different things. Besides, do you really
think that Russian government gives a ***t about 'average Russians'?
no. the way that they treated the beslan relatives showed just how much they
care.
as for being two different things, please explain. isn't it equivalent to
distrusting your own fellow countrymen?
I agree with the Captain -- these things are inseperable.

I think the question lies at the dark heart of one Russia's most
serious problems -- if you look at surveys, huge percentages of
Russians think people from the Caucasus should get out of Russia; at
the same time, Russia has sworn to prevent nations from leaving Russia,
or even from gaining real autonomy. "Russia for the Russians" rhetoric
has long been on the rise.

Russia is supposed to be a federation. It does not act like one, and I
don't see it acting like one in the future; it remains, in essence, an
empire.

Regards,
/P

http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
Eugene Holman
2006-09-10 08:17:07 UTC
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Post by Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Post by captain.
no. the way that they treated the beslan relatives showed just how much they
care.
as for being two different things, please explain. isn't it equivalent to
distrusting your own fellow countrymen?
I agree with the Captain -- these things are inseperable.
I think the question lies at the dark heart of one Russia's most
serious problems -- if you look at surveys, huge percentages of
Russians think people from the Caucasus should get out of Russia; at
the same time, Russia has sworn to prevent nations from leaving Russia,
or even from gaining real autonomy. "Russia for the Russians" rhetoric
has long been on the rise.
Russia is supposed to be a federation. It does not act like one, and I
don't see it acting like one in the future; it remains, in essence, an
empire.
In order to deal effectively with this problem, the Russians should brush
up on American history. A methodology for effecting a final solution is
discussed at
http://www.studyworld.com/indian_removal_act_of_1830.htm .

Regards,
Eugene Holman
MTRP™
2006-09-10 09:16:24 UTC
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Post by Eugene Holman
Post by Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
I think the question lies at the dark heart of one Russia's most
serious problems -- if you look at surveys, huge percentages of
Russians think people from the Caucasus should get out of Russia; at
the same time, Russia has sworn to prevent nations from leaving Russia,
or even from gaining real autonomy. "Russia for the Russians" rhetoric
has long been on the rise.
"Russia for the Russians" refers to the Russian part of Russian
Federation (of course Karelian "Russianness" is questionable, but its
"Caucasianess" is plain absurd). That is, this slogan means that
Chechens shound stick to Chechnya, Tatars to Tatarstan, etc. This does
not mean that Russians should stick to Moscovia though. :-D
Post by Eugene Holman
Post by Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
Russia is supposed to be a federation. It does not act like one, and I
don't see it acting like one in the future; it remains, in essence, an
empire.
No. Without Ukraine it's merely a federation ... actually still a
liberal one. Everywhere in Moscow and St. Pete one sees a lot of
"Caucasians" peacefully coexisting with, say, native residents.
Post by Eugene Holman
In order to deal effectively with this problem, the Russians should brush
up on American history. A methodology for effecting a final solution is
discussed at
http://www.studyworld.com/indian_removal_act_of_1830.htm .
Good point. I ofter wonder why all those Western "experts" forget to
praise Uncle Joe for his hmm ... war-time semi-solution of the Chechen
question.
ladzius
2006-09-10 08:09:37 UTC
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Post by captain.
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
These are two completely different things. Besides, do you really
think that Russian government gives a ***t about 'average Russians'?
no. the way that they treated the beslan relatives showed just how much they
care.
as for being two different things, please explain. isn't it equivalent to
distrusting your own fellow countrymen?
Empires hold on to their subjects not because they "trust" them ...
Dmitry
2006-09-10 23:39:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by captain.
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
These are two completely different things. Besides, do you really
think that Russian government gives a ***t about 'average Russians'?
no. the way that they treated the beslan relatives showed just how much they
care.
as for being two different things, please explain. isn't it equivalent to
distrusting your own fellow countrymen?
Anti-'Caucasian' sentiments are part of the mob rule that in plain
language is racism (usually practiced by people with limited
intellectual capacity). Keeping Chechnya is part of imperialistic
ambition. If Russian government let Chechnya go, many others are
likely to follow.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-11 06:08:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
These are two completely different things. Besides, do you really
think that Russian government gives a ***t about 'average Russians'?
no. the way that they treated the beslan relatives showed just how much they
care.
as for being two different things, please explain. isn't it equivalent to
distrusting your own fellow countrymen?
Anti-'Caucasian' sentiments are part of the mob rule that in plain
language is racism (usually practiced by people with limited
intellectual capacity).
How about anti-Nordic, anti-Finnic and anti-Slavic pogroms practiced by
organized Chehcen stormtroopers? Are you all for them? Should all blond
people be either killed or forced out of Karelia and Finland?
Post by Dmitry
Keeping Chechnya is part of imperialistic
ambition. If Russian government let Chechnya go, many others are
likely to follow.
How about keeping Basquia, Corsica and Northern Ireland? Is it part of
Spanish, British and French imperialistic ambitions?
Dmitry
2006-09-11 17:50:37 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
Post by Dmitry
Post by captain.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
These are two completely different things. Besides, do you really
think that Russian government gives a ***t about 'average Russians'?
no. the way that they treated the beslan relatives showed just how much they
care.
as for being two different things, please explain. isn't it equivalent to
distrusting your own fellow countrymen?
Anti-'Caucasian' sentiments are part of the mob rule that in plain
language is racism (usually practiced by people with limited
intellectual capacity).
How about anti-Nordic, anti-Finnic and anti-Slavic pogroms practiced by
organized Chehcen stormtroopers? Are you all for them? Should all blond
people be either killed or forced out of Karelia and Finland?
Just to clarify - I don't support any pogroms, violence or racism. I
am talking about people who easily fall for stereotyping. Every nation
(may be except Iceland???) or ethnic group has their own criminals to
smaller or larger extent. This doesn't mean that the rest should be
mistrusted.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Dmitry
Keeping Chechnya is part of imperialistic
ambition. If Russian government let Chechnya go, many others are
likely to follow.
How about keeping Basquia, Corsica and Northern Ireland? Is it part of
Spanish, British and French imperialistic ambitions?
And Gibraltar?... All three countries were large empires in the past,
but not any more. To answer your question - keeping NI as part of UK
can be called imperialistic ambition. However, in my opinion
referendum is the best way forward.
s***@binet.is
2006-09-11 22:47:41 UTC
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Post by Dmitry
Post by v***@yahoo.com
How about anti-Nordic, anti-Finnic and anti-Slavic pogroms practiced by
organized Chehcen stormtroopers? Are you all for them? Should all blond
people be either killed or forced out of Karelia and Finland?
Just to clarify - I don't support any pogroms, violence or racism. I
am talking about people who easily fall for stereotyping. Every nation
(may be except Iceland???) or ethnic group has their own criminals to
smaller or larger extent. This doesn't mean that the rest should be
mistrusted.
Iceland has just the same criminality as any other nation or ethnic
group, there is no reason to belive that Icelanders are any different.
Dmitry
2006-09-15 21:53:24 UTC
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Post by s***@binet.is
Post by Dmitry
Post by v***@yahoo.com
How about anti-Nordic, anti-Finnic and anti-Slavic pogroms practiced by
organized Chehcen stormtroopers? Are you all for them? Should all blond
people be either killed or forced out of Karelia and Finland?
Just to clarify - I don't support any pogroms, violence or racism. I
am talking about people who easily fall for stereotyping. Every nation
(may be except Iceland???) or ethnic group has their own criminals to
smaller or larger extent. This doesn't mean that the rest should be
mistrusted.
Iceland has just the same criminality as any other nation or ethnic
group, there is no reason to belive that Icelanders are any different.
The crime rate is extraordinary low in Iceland. The country's 700
police officers do not carry guns, and many of them have roles other
than law enforcement (e.g., some are ambulance drivers). Iceland has
137 prisoners.

In January 2006 Iceland's population totalled 300000 people.

I don't know what else to say on this subject.
s***@binet.is
2006-09-15 22:27:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dmitry
Post by s***@binet.is
Post by Dmitry
Post by v***@yahoo.com
How about anti-Nordic, anti-Finnic and anti-Slavic pogroms practiced by
organized Chehcen stormtroopers? Are you all for them? Should all blond
people be either killed or forced out of Karelia and Finland?
Just to clarify - I don't support any pogroms, violence or racism. I
am talking about people who easily fall for stereotyping. Every nation
(may be except Iceland???) or ethnic group has their own criminals to
smaller or larger extent. This doesn't mean that the rest should be
mistrusted.
Iceland has just the same criminality as any other nation or ethnic
group, there is no reason to belive that Icelanders are any different.
The crime rate is extraordinary low in Iceland. The country's 700
police officers do not carry guns, and many of them have roles other
than law enforcement (e.g., some are ambulance drivers). Iceland has
137 prisoners.
Check out http://www.statice.is/?PageID=1289
No Icelandic policemen work as ambulance drivers but they can assist if
the regular drivers are not able to carry out their duty.
The normal police does not carry firearms but firearms are kept ready
in the police stations and officers are trained in the use of guns and
there is a special task force that is armed and ready to deal with
criminals carrying guns.
Iceland had 315 prisoners in 2004 (13 of them serving sentences for
murder) but one of the reasons for the low number of prisoners is that
alternatives to prison sentences are usually sought when someone has
committed a minor crime or if they are first time offenders, not
because criminality is non existent.
In 2004, the number of offences registered by the police were 2972 per
10 000 people in Iceland.
Post by Dmitry
In January 2006 Iceland's population totalled 300000 people.
And by mid year 2006 they had reached 304334, so what?
Post by Dmitry
I don't know what else to say on this subject.
Just admit you were wrong.

Sigvaldi
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-10 20:40:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by captain.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by captain.
Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
I'd rename this topic to "Immigrants kill Russians".I've seen numbers
of killed - 3 or 4 of whom 2 were killed on the spot. The group who
arrive to beat up the Russians, armed, cannot qualify to less than
"criminal". So it makes the story as this: Russians mass-murdered by
the immigrant bandits
i can't help but wonder which words were exchanged between the two groups
that would lead to such a situation.
Once on my first backtrip to Moscow after a 10 year absence, I went to
a farmers market in Moscow. There are probably some 50 of them all over
the city. It was in late May. At these markets, you can always ask the
seller to taste their wares before buying. So, I asked one seller to
giv eme a taste of a melon. She did. I said: "Oh it tastes great. How
much ode sit cost?". Her answer was: "Ten dollars per kilo". My jaw
dropped (you see, I forgot that May is not a melon season yet and
melons may cost 20 times more in May than in September). She gor really
upset: "I ruined a whole melon for you!". Immediately several gentlemen
with knives appeared. You see, if you like a fruit's taste, you must
buy it. I quickly moved to another part of the market but nobody in th
ewhole market agreed to sell me anything, even without trying. The
three goons with knives followed me. So I wnet back to the car. They
went out after me and carefully wrote down my licence plate.
You see, virtually all farming food supply places were and still are
owned and staffed by a centralized Caucus mafia group, who harass and
injure shoppers on a regular basis. Same goes for many other busineses
like bars, strip bars, casinos, prostitution houses, etc, etc,
although, different trades may be owned by different Caucus mafia.
Do you remember the wild 1990s, when the mafia forced all Russian small
businessmen to pay them monthly ransom of about 50% of revenue for not
killing them and burning down their businesses? Well, the majority of
these mafia groups were from Caucuses. The sight of a young Caucaus man
in a sports suit usually meant that you were about to be killed or
robbed or both.
This is a background for you on the conflict in Karelia and on why
there is so much similar fear and hatred in the rest of Russia.
if the average russian distrusts the people of the caucases, as you claim,
then why does russia want to keep places like chechnya or dagestan as part
of the country?
Theyt fear domino effect. Plus, they gave independence to Azerbaijan
and it mad eno difference: millions and millions of Azeris (many of
them - mafia members and many - very violent) are in Russia. Just look
at the anti-Finn and anti-Slav nazi stromtrooper pogroms, done by Azeri
and Chechens armed with bats and knives, that started trouble in nordic
Karelia.

If Chechnya gained independence, it would not reduce the numbe rof
Chechen mafia men in Moscow, who control more than half of all
organized crime activities, espcially the sin sectors and food supplies
and distribution.
Dmitry
2006-09-07 17:45:30 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.
The violence included mobs with Molotov cocktails burning down
Caucasian-owned businesses and natives of the Caucasus being forced out of
town. An air of fear and uncertainty permeated the town Sunday
The angry mobs, which left the town of 37,000 pockmarked with
storefront fires and shattered glass, stemmed from a fight Wednesday evening
outside the Chaika restaurant in which two ethnic Russians were killed.
A group of young ethnic Russians, including some ex-convicts, had been
drinking in the restaurant that evening, an official at Karelia's Interior
Ministry said.
The men began arguing with the restaurant's bartender. The argument
led to a fight. The bartender, an Azeri, managed to escape but later
returned with some friends, all natives of the Caucasus, bearing knives,
baseball bats and iron rods. In the ensuing brawl, two ethnic Russians were
killed; nine others, including Russians and natives of the Caucasus, were
injured.
Police detained several suspects at the site of the brawl, including
those suspected of having committed the two murders. That did not stop the
Chaika and other Caucasian-owned businesses from being attacked Friday and
Saturday; owners subsequently fled Kondopoga.
The angry mobs behind the violence appeared to have been galvanized,
in part, by a local web site, Kcity.ru, which posted an appeal to town
residents Friday to meet at the town square Saturday afternoon to protest
the knifing of the ethnic Russians.
On Saturday, about 2,000 people showed up at the square. Speakers
included the leader of the nationalist Movement Against Illegal Migration,
Alexander Belov, who demanded the expulsion of natives of the Caucasus
lacking residence permits.
Police officers told Interfax that all Caucasus natives had left the
town by Saturday.
A Karelian Interior Ministry official confirmed Sunday that hundreds
of natives of the Caucasus had been living in the town and that most of them
had fled, while some had gone into hiding.
Saturday evening saw further attacks, mostly by young men and
teenagers, on the Chaika restaurant and nearby kiosks and markets.
It was only when police commandos arrived in Kondopoga from Karelia's
capital, Petrozavodsk, at 9 p.m. Saturday that the attacks subsided. The
commandos dispersed the crowds, detaining more than 100 suspects.
Twenty-five of the suspects remained in custody as of Monday, Interfax
reported, with a total of 109 having been detained. Local police and
commandos patrolled the town's streets.
Despite the scale of the riots, national television channels ignored
Kondopoga in their news reports Saturday. On Sunday, the state-run Rossia
channel showed footage of young men throwing rocks at Chaika in broad
daylight and, later, images of the restaurant consumed by fire.
Also on Sunday, Karelia's governor, Sergei Katanandov, weighed in on
the ethnic violence, saying authorities were restoring order to Kondopoga
and vowing to prosecute those who took part in the attacks. "We will not
allow anyone to destabilize the situation in the republic," Katanandov said.
The events in Kondopoga mark the first time an entire town has been
deserted by natives of the Caucasus, who were forced to flee for their
lives, and it could trigger similar disturbances elsewhere, said Alexander
Verkhovsky, director of the Sova think tank.
On Monday, Chechen Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov voiced concern over
the events in Kondopoga in an official statement, Interfax reported.
"Mass riots are underway in the Karelian town of Kondopoga, and a
conflict between previously convicted drunk young men and a barman, a native
of Chechnya, who made a remark to them, sparked them," the statement reads,
as reported by Interfax.
"The mass riots that followed grew into an ethnic conflict, which
shows clear anti-Chechen and anti-Caucasian attitudes."
The statement also alleged that the local authorities had been
inactive in dealing with the situation.
Ramzan has a good sence of humour. He also knows that he can press the
buttons, even if the target is far away from Chechnya.
Post by captain.
"In this connection," Kadyrov's
statement continues, "I state with all responsibility that should the
Karelian authorities fail to find ways and methods of calming the situation,
we will be able to find legal means that may bring the situation in
compliance with the law . Those guilty should be punished, regardless of
their origins."
It doesn't surprise me very much. Anti-Caucasian attitude,
especially anti-Azeri, was quite common in Soviet era and so was gang
violence. These usually derive from poor education and poverty.

The history of Soviet Union starts with gang violence (Lenin) and
continues with ethnic cleansing (Stalin).

It doesn't look to me as if Russia has moved very far from its
communist past.
J. Anderson
2006-09-07 17:57:06 UTC
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Post by Dmitry
It doesn't surprise me very much. Anti-Caucasian attitude,
especially anti-Azeri, was quite common in Soviet era and so was gang
violence. These usually derive from poor education and poverty.
The history of Soviet Union starts with gang violence (Lenin) and
continues with ethnic cleansing (Stalin).
It doesn't look to me as if Russia has moved very far from its
communist past.
Considering how desperately Russia wants to own Chechnia there are bound to
be a few casualties here and there.

If Kontupohja had belonged to Finland (like it did 1941-44) nothing evil
would ever have happened there ;~)

Regards,
John
Dmitry
2006-09-07 19:40:49 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
Post by Dmitry
It doesn't surprise me very much. Anti-Caucasian attitude,
especially anti-Azeri, was quite common in Soviet era and so was gang
violence. These usually derive from poor education and poverty.
The history of Soviet Union starts with gang violence (Lenin) and
continues with ethnic cleansing (Stalin).
It doesn't look to me as if Russia has moved very far from its
communist past.
Considering how desperately Russia wants to own Chechnia there are bound to
be a few casualties here and there.
If Kontupohja had belonged to Finland (like it did 1941-44) nothing evil
would ever have happened there ;~)
There would have been daily demonstrations against Finnish occupation
today -)

:-))) I came across this. http://www.kondopoga.ru/

..........[paragraph in Cyrillic]...........

I'm not any good at translations, but this is roughly what it says:

During WWII Kondopoga was occupied by Finnish troops and almost
completely destroyed. Factories were out of order, houses and
'cultural institutions' [clubs???] were destroyed. After the war
everything was rebuilt again. Afanasjev, Pashkov and Filippov were
awarded the title of Heroes of Soviet Union for their feat during WWII.
Their names are written in history in the form of memorial built in
their names.

In other words the heroes of Soviet Union rebuilt what Finns have
destroyed -)
Post by J. Anderson
Regards,
John
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-08 08:02:38 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.
Violent Mobs Attack Immigrants in Karelia
Actually, according to Russian news, this is a conflict between
Finnic/Slavic people on one side and primarily Chechen migrants on the
other side. There is no mention of Azeris. However, a totally innocent
group - Armenians - are also hurt by stupid and bigoted Finns/Slavs who
can't even tell good-mannered, hard-working and super-talented
Christian Armenians from wild and violent Chechens.
Post by captain.
The violence included mobs with Molotov cocktails burning down
Caucasian-owned businesses and natives of the Caucasus being forced out of
town. An air of fear and uncertainty permeated the town Sunday
The angry mobs, which left the town of 37,000 pockmarked with
storefront fires and shattered glass, stemmed from a fight Wednesday evening
outside the Chaika restaurant in which two ethnic Russians were killed.
A group of young ethnic Russians, including some ex-convicts, had been
drinking in the restaurant that evening, an official at Karelia's Interior
Ministry said.
The men began arguing with the restaurant's bartender. The argument
led to a fight. The bartender, an Azeri, managed to escape but later
returned with some friends, all natives of the Caucasus, bearing knives,
baseball bats and iron rods. In the ensuing brawl, two ethnic Russians were
killed; nine others, including Russians and natives of the Caucasus, were
injured.
Police detained several suspects at the site of the brawl, including
those suspected of having committed the two murders. That did not stop the
Chaika and other Caucasian-owned businesses from being attacked Friday and
Saturday; owners subsequently fled Kondopoga.
The angry mobs behind the violence appeared to have been galvanized,
in part, by a local web site, Kcity.ru, which posted an appeal to town
residents Friday to meet at the town square Saturday afternoon to protest
the knifing of the ethnic Russians.
On Saturday, about 2,000 people showed up at the square. Speakers
included the leader of the nationalist Movement Against Illegal Migration,
Alexander Belov, who demanded the expulsion of natives of the Caucasus
lacking residence permits.
Police officers told Interfax that all Caucasus natives had left the
town by Saturday.
A Karelian Interior Ministry official confirmed Sunday that hundreds
of natives of the Caucasus had been living in the town and that most of them
had fled, while some had gone into hiding.
Saturday evening saw further attacks, mostly by young men and
teenagers, on the Chaika restaurant and nearby kiosks and markets.
It was only when police commandos arrived in Kondopoga from Karelia's
capital, Petrozavodsk, at 9 p.m. Saturday that the attacks subsided. The
commandos dispersed the crowds, detaining more than 100 suspects.
Twenty-five of the suspects remained in custody as of Monday, Interfax
reported, with a total of 109 having been detained. Local police and
commandos patrolled the town's streets.
Despite the scale of the riots, national television channels ignored
Kondopoga in their news reports Saturday. On Sunday, the state-run Rossia
channel showed footage of young men throwing rocks at Chaika in broad
daylight and, later, images of the restaurant consumed by fire.
Also on Sunday, Karelia's governor, Sergei Katanandov, weighed in on
the ethnic violence, saying authorities were restoring order to Kondopoga
and vowing to prosecute those who took part in the attacks. "We will not
allow anyone to destabilize the situation in the republic," Katanandov said.
The events in Kondopoga mark the first time an entire town has been
deserted by natives of the Caucasus, who were forced to flee for their
lives, and it could trigger similar disturbances elsewhere, said Alexander
Verkhovsky, director of the Sova think tank.
On Monday, Chechen Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov voiced concern over
the events in Kondopoga in an official statement, Interfax reported.
"Mass riots are underway in the Karelian town of Kondopoga, and a
conflict between previously convicted drunk young men and a barman, a native
of Chechnya, who made a remark to them, sparked them," the statement reads,
as reported by Interfax.
"The mass riots that followed grew into an ethnic conflict, which
shows clear anti-Chechen and anti-Caucasian attitudes."
The statement also alleged that the local authorities had been
inactive in dealing with the situation. "In this connection," Kadyrov's
statement continues, "I state with all responsibility that should the
Karelian authorities fail to find ways and methods of calming the situation,
we will be able to find legal means that may bring the situation in
compliance with the law . Those guilty should be punished, regardless of
their origins."
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-11 06:22:24 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.
////////////////////////////////////////
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002889.html
September 05, 2006

Chechen Warlord Threatens Russian Town, Locals Fear Second Beslan

The Islamic Chechen warlord, Ramzan Kadyrov, has threatened to punish
the people of the north Russian town of Kondopoga with ``his own
forces'' for their successful attempt to stand up to the Chechen mafia,
report Russian media.

Now this is classic Islamic logic. Muslims murder and terrorise, and
then cry that they have been victimised!

The statement by Kadyrov, who is feared and despised by many of his own
people, follows the grisly murder on August 30 of four Russians by a
Chechen mafia hit squad in Kondopoga, a town of 35,000 in the Republic
of Karelia, a region of northwest Russia that borders Finland. Nine
more Russians were seriously wounded in the brutal attack where
Chechens shouted ``Alla Akhbar'' and mutilated their victims.

That Kadyrov has publicly come out in support of the Chechen mafia
operating in Kondopoga is a strong indication that this particular
group is under his direct control. Kondopoga is a center of the
lucrative pulp and paper business.

The dead and wounded Russians were dining at a Chechen-owned restaurant
when they were taken by surprise by the Chechen hit squad of about 30
men armed with knives and thick bats. The hit squad was called in after
a fight broke out between several Russians and a Muslim waiter. What
caused that fight is not clear, but many of the victims had no relation
to that quarrel. The Chechen hit squad entered the restaurant and began
to attack all Russians inside.

When the police refused to intervene and apprehend the culprits, the
local population took matters into their hand. Thousands poured into
the street and attacked and burned the Chechen-owned restaurant, and
chased all Chechen and other Muslims, a total of about 60 families,
from the town.

While such mayhem and disorder is not to be commended, it's the
unfortunate result of local police corruption. Law enforcement officers
are believed to have been in the pay of the Chechen mafia, and such
lawlessness fueled local anger.

Sergei Katanandov, the governor of Karelia, called the recent brutal
murders ``the last straw'' and reminded the world that ``people of the
North are patient and slow to anger,'' and that if something like this
happened it's only because the situation had gone further than can be
humanly tolerated.

Since the Chechen warlord Kadyrov's threats, locals have stopped
sending their children to school. Reports emerged that Chechen web
sites had mentioned the possibility of taking a local school hostage,
just like Chechen terrorists did in Beslan.

The sick irony is that the Kondopoga murders came on the eve of the
grim second anniversary of the Beslan massacre when Chechen terrorists
killed 360 hostages at a school in Russia's southern republic of North
Ossetia, a Christian Orthodox region.

In that context, it seems that the Kondopoga massacre was not merely
the result of a bar room quarrel, but a desire by Chechens to send an
arrogant message to Russians; as if they wanted to say, ``We spit on
the graves of the murdered kafir children.''

/////////////////////////////////////
http://therussiandilettante.blogspot.com/

In the meantime, Belgium is about to charge eleven Chechen refugees
with violent assault for their part in a raid on an Oostende nightclub.
Back in late August, about 30 Chechen men, armed with metal rods,
baseball bats and golf clubs, attacked a night club in that coastal
resort town, robbing the patrons in the process. There are about 200
Chechen refugees living in Ostende, which translates into an impressive
15% rate of participation, as it were.
///////////////////////////////////////////////

Those fascist Belgians and Karelians....
l***@cs.com
2006-09-11 23:23:42 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.
The violence included mobs with Molotov cocktails burning down
Caucasian-owned businesses and natives of the Caucasus being forced out of
town. An air of fear and uncertainty permeated the town Sunday
The angry mobs, which left the town of 37,000 pockmarked with
storefront fires and shattered glass, stemmed from a fight Wednesday evening
outside the Chaika restaurant in which two ethnic Russians were killed.
A group of young ethnic Russians, including some ex-convicts, had been
drinking in the restaurant that evening, an official at Karelia's Interior
Ministry said.
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
No such luck.
Eugene Holman
2006-09-12 05:18:26 UTC
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In article <***@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
***@cs.com wrote:

<deletions>
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.

There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.

\EH
J. Anderson
2006-09-12 12:01:31 UTC
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Post by Eugene Holman
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled.
You are obviously thinking of Sortavala. Kontupohja is situated on the
northwestern shore of Lake Onega and has never belonged to Finland.
Eugene Holman
2006-09-12 14:03:40 UTC
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Post by J. Anderson
Post by Eugene Holman
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled.
You are obviously thinking of Sortavala. Kontupohja is situated on the
northwestern shore of Lake Onega and has never belonged to Finland.
Thanks, John. You have finally convinced me that I can no longer trust my
memory, but have to check and double check before posting. The Hu[i] will
gain great pleasure from my error.

Mea culpa,
Eugene Holman
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-12 21:35:32 UTC
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Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.
There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
BluntForceTraumaT
2006-09-12 21:37:16 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.
There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
Violent mobs need love too.
vello
2006-09-13 07:06:20 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.
There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
Karlamov, do you really don't understand that you are thinking exactly
in way terrorists do? In you list there is Nord Ost theatre, but
levelled Grozny and other Chechen cities incl all theatres there are
missing. In your list we find KZ camps of nazis, but not Gulag ones.
Any terrorist is thinking that, sure, actions of "enemies" are
bad,bad,bad, but crimes commited by "ours" are honorable fight against
enemies of reich/derzhava, nation, faith, ideology, race. You, as other
mental or physical terrorists live in a black and white world - if you
are not "own", you are on opposite side and worth killing.. In real
life 99% of people and nations just want to live in peace and look for
some succ3ess and happiness.
BluntForceTraumaT
2006-09-13 13:09:33 UTC
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Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.
There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
Karlamov, do you really don't understand that you are thinking exactly
in way terrorists do? In you list there is Nord Ost theatre, but
levelled Grozny and other Chechen cities incl all theatres there are
missing. In your list we find KZ camps of nazis, but not Gulag ones.
Any terrorist is thinking that, sure, actions of "enemies" are
bad,bad,bad, but crimes commited by "ours" are honorable fight against
enemies of reich/derzhava, nation, faith, ideology, race. You, as other
mental or physical terrorists live in a black and white world - if you
are not "own", you are on opposite side and worth killing.. In real
life 99% of people and nations just want to live in peace and look for
some succ3ess and happiness.
The Russkies killed over a million Afghan civilians.

I don't think the Russians ever brought anyone to trial for the war crimes
they committed during WWII.

You're right though...if Russians rob, murder and loot, it's all just good
clean fun to Karla. Millions of women being raped by the Russian army was
just the boys letting off some steam, no doubt.

Stalin killed far more people than Hitler ever did. He certainly killed more
Russians than Hitler killed Germans. Karla probably thinks he was a great
leader.

We seen many loyal Russians here on SCR over the years. Funny thing
though...they all prefer to live anywhere except Russia.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-14 02:37:37 UTC
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Post by BluntForceTraumaT
Stalin killed far more people than Hitler ever did. He certainly killed more
Russians than Hitler killed Germans.
What's your point? That being a Caucuses man, Stalin delighted in mass
extermination of Russians/Finns/Slavs?

So, would it be fair to conclude that the modern Chechen and other
Caucus nazi stormtroopers, who gather in batallions of 30 and then go
on killing rampages against nordic-looking people in Karelia and
Belgium, are actually the followers of stalinist teachings? Then
maybeinstead of settling in Belgium and Karelia, they should go to Rep.
of Georgia, where Stalin is still worshipped as a national hero?
Post by BluntForceTraumaT
Karla probably thinks he was a great
leader.
No, no. I am not Georgian.
Post by BluntForceTraumaT
We seen many loyal Russians here on SCR over the years. Funny thing
though...they all prefer to live anywhere except Russia.
And all loyal Americans you meet on Relcom live anywhere except USA.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-14 02:16:12 UTC
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Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.
There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
Karlamov, do you really don't understand that you are thinking exactly
in way terrorists do? In you list there is Nord Ost theatre, but
levelled Grozny and other Chechen cities incl all theatres there are
missing.
This was the list of videos that would make Mama Hui ejaculate with
great pleasure. The leveling of Grozny would be quite as enjoyable to
Mama Hui. Sure, the majority of victims were ethnic Russian ciivlianz,
but he wouldn't be able tosee for sure who the victims were: his
beloved Al Qaeda men or his hated old ethnic Russian women.

Maybe the pictures of devastated Vietnamese, Afghani and Iraqi cities
at the hand of his fellow Amreicans would be good masturbation material
for him? And I am sure the pictures of the melting of the faces and
eyes of little Japanese children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki will
bringsmiles ot these American "patriots".

Therer are lots of great pictures of the Ameircan rape of Yugoslavia,
including the unforgettable bombing of the Belgrade TV Tower, which
dared to tell the truth about USA's bombing of the Kosovar refugee
trucks, which NATO had been trying to blame on Serbs. This truth
exposed US and NATO leaders as liars. And what do US and NATO leaders
do when exposed a sliars: thehy go on an all-out crusade to physically
exterminate journalists, purely out of the Amerivan love and dedication
to the Freedom of Speech and the Truth.

Besln tapes would be pure heaven for the SCB people like Mama Hui, as
it depicts in gory detail the deaths of hundres and hundreds of
innocent Ossetian boys and girls. Yes, they do look dark and
non-Russian but the Ossetians are true greek Orthodox Christians like
Russians and the deaths of their children should give pleasure to many
SCB posters.
Post by vello
In your list we find KZ camps of nazis,
What is "KZ"? Kazakhstan? here do i mention Nazi camps in Kazakhstan?
Post by vello
but not Gulag ones.
Any terrorist is thinking that, sure, actions of "enemies" are
bad,bad,bad, but crimes commited by "ours" are honorable fight against
enemies of reich/derzhava, nation, faith, ideology, race.
Of course. I know lots of Ameircans who are proud of USA's cimes
agianst humanity in Germany (Dresden), Japan, Viet Nam, Panama, Haiti,
Chile, Afghanistan, and if course Iraq. They actually cheerat the sight
of dead "muzzies".
Post by vello
You, as other
mental or physical terrorists
Could you please remind me how you have proved that I am a "mental
and/or physical terrorist"? I see no evidence here. Nor any proof.
Post by vello
live in a black and white world - if you
are not "own", you are on opposite side and worth killing..
Not at all. You justknow that I live in America and concludethat,
likeall Americans, I must see the World in B&W. This is pure bigotry
and sereotyping on your art. Shame.
Post by vello
In real
life 99% of people and nations just want to live in peace and look for
some succ3ess and happiness.
But we are not talking about those 99%. We are talking aobut Mama Hui,
who belongs to that remaining 1% that live to jerk off to the sight of
innocent civilians of a particular race/ethnicity/nationality/religion
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants. No such luck.
So, let me hear how MamaHui's love for seeing Russian civilians die in
ethnic pogroms is, in you opinion, a great thing, bu my suggestion that
Mama Hui may then watch Beslan, Budenovsk and Nord Ost tapes, that
depict the deaths of innocent Russian children, as well as the pictures
of innocent Jewish children dead in Nazi camps - that, in your opinion,
proves that I am a "terorrist".
vello
2006-09-14 03:19:13 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
<deletions>
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.
There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
Karlamov, do you really don't understand that you are thinking exactly
in way terrorists do? In you list there is Nord Ost theatre, but
levelled Grozny and other Chechen cities incl all theatres there are
missing.
This was the list of videos that would make Mama Hui ejaculate with
great pleasure. The leveling of Grozny would be quite as enjoyable to
Mama Hui. Sure, the majority of victims were ethnic Russian ciivlianz,
but he wouldn't be able tosee for sure who the victims were: his
beloved Al Qaeda men or his hated old ethnic Russian women.
Maybe the pictures of devastated Vietnamese, Afghani and Iraqi cities
at the hand of his fellow Amreicans would be good masturbation material
for him? And I am sure the pictures of the melting of the faces and
eyes of little Japanese children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki will
bringsmiles ot these American "patriots".
Therer are lots of great pictures of the Ameircan rape of Yugoslavia,
including the unforgettable bombing of the Belgrade TV Tower, which
dared to tell the truth about USA's bombing of the Kosovar refugee
trucks, which NATO had been trying to blame on Serbs. This truth
exposed US and NATO leaders as liars. And what do US and NATO leaders
do when exposed a sliars: thehy go on an all-out crusade to physically
exterminate journalists, purely out of the Amerivan love and dedication
to the Freedom of Speech and the Truth.
Besln tapes would be pure heaven for the SCB people like Mama Hui, as
it depicts in gory detail the deaths of hundres and hundreds of
innocent Ossetian boys and girls. Yes, they do look dark and
non-Russian but the Ossetians are true greek Orthodox Christians like
Russians and the deaths of their children should give pleasure to many
SCB posters.
Post by vello
In your list we find KZ camps of nazis,
What is "KZ"? Kazakhstan? here do i mention Nazi camps in Kazakhstan?
Post by vello
but not Gulag ones.
Any terrorist is thinking that, sure, actions of "enemies" are
bad,bad,bad, but crimes commited by "ours" are honorable fight against
enemies of reich/derzhava, nation, faith, ideology, race.
Of course. I know lots of Ameircans who are proud of USA's cimes
agianst humanity in Germany (Dresden), Japan, Viet Nam, Panama, Haiti,
Chile, Afghanistan, and if course Iraq. They actually cheerat the sight
of dead "muzzies".
Post by vello
You, as other
mental or physical terrorists
Could you please remind me how you have proved that I am a "mental
and/or physical terrorist"? I see no evidence here. Nor any proof.
Post by vello
live in a black and white world - if you
are not "own", you are on opposite side and worth killing..
Not at all. You justknow that I live in America and concludethat,
likeall Americans, I must see the World in B&W. This is pure bigotry
and sereotyping on your art. Shame.
Post by vello
In real
life 99% of people and nations just want to live in peace and look for
some succ3ess and happiness.
But we are not talking about those 99%. We are talking aobut Mama Hui,
who belongs to that remaining 1% that live to jerk off to the sight of
innocent civilians of a particular race/ethnicity/nationality/religion
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants. No such luck.
So, let me hear how MamaHui's love for seeing Russian civilians die in
ethnic pogroms is, in you opinion, a great thing, bu my suggestion that
Mama Hui may then watch Beslan, Budenovsk and Nord Ost tapes, that
depict the deaths of innocent Russian children, as well as the pictures
of innocent Jewish children dead in Nazi camps - that, in your opinion,
proves that I am a "terorrist".
Sure you are:-) You are a perfect team with Hui, both players of the
very same game, just on opposite side of playfield. Unhappily for you,
you are playing a gambite with no possibilities to win. Why? Coz Hui's
side, Baltics had had no resources to kill and occupy others like
Russia and Germany had done, so you must defend and whitewash real
terror against neighbouring nations of Russia and create imaginable
"crimes" of karelians, balts etc
Why you can't agree that it is crime to kill and occupy ANYONE, no
matter chechen, russian or a jew? That ANY nation deserves his
homeland, no matter balts, chechens, serbs, croatians or jews?
Dmitry
2006-09-14 17:53:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by vello
Sure you are:-) You are a perfect team with Hui, both players of the
very same game, just on opposite side of playfield. Unhappily for you,
you are playing a gambite with no possibilities to win. Why? Coz Hui's
side, Baltics had had no resources to kill and occupy others like
Russia and Germany had done, so you must defend and whitewash real
terror against neighbouring nations of Russia and create imaginable
"crimes" of karelians, balts etc
Why you can't agree that it is crime to kill and occupy ANYONE, no
matter chechen, russian or a jew? That ANY nation deserves his
homeland, no matter balts, chechens, serbs, croatians or jews?
-:)))) That would be a good start.

It occurs to me that not many scb posters ever lived under occupational
regime. It is not easy to comprehend the score without hearing the
actual orchestra.

It sometimes feels that both "sides" represent various
parts/moods/communities of diversity of North American society, Baltics
and Russia are just conversational tools -:)) No offence to anyone.
J. Anderson
2006-09-14 21:42:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dmitry
It occurs to me that not many scb posters ever lived under occupational
regime.
How true. Some even never visited occupied countries.
Dmitry
2006-09-15 00:23:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by J. Anderson
Post by Dmitry
It occurs to me that not many scb posters ever lived under occupational
regime.
How true. Some even never visited occupied countries.
Vello's comment was spot on!
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-14 23:32:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
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Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
Before WW II Kontupohja was a Finnish town. It was lost to the USSR
consequent to the peace treaty between Finland and the USSR, and the
Finnish population was expelled. Thus, any Karelians there are the
descendants of post war immigrants, just as the local Russians are.
There are far fewer Karelians than there are Russians, and many Karelians
use Russian, not Karelian, as their everyday language. Karelian,
unfortunately, lacks a standardized written form and is fragmented into
mutually unintelligible dialects that do not share a contiguous territory.
They are small linguistic islands, White Sea Karelian, Olonets Karelian,
Ludian Karelian, Tver Karelian, and Valdai Karelian, in a sea of
Russianness.
Post by l***@cs.com
No such luck.
...that you would base your masturbation fantasies on facts.
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
Karlamov, do you really don't understand that you are thinking exactly
in way terrorists do? In you list there is Nord Ost theatre, but
levelled Grozny and other Chechen cities incl all theatres there are
missing.
This was the list of videos that would make Mama Hui ejaculate with
great pleasure. The leveling of Grozny would be quite as enjoyable to
Mama Hui. Sure, the majority of victims were ethnic Russian ciivlianz,
but he wouldn't be able tosee for sure who the victims were: his
beloved Al Qaeda men or his hated old ethnic Russian women.
Maybe the pictures of devastated Vietnamese, Afghani and Iraqi cities
at the hand of his fellow Amreicans would be good masturbation material
for him? And I am sure the pictures of the melting of the faces and
eyes of little Japanese children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki will
bringsmiles ot these American "patriots".
Therer are lots of great pictures of the Ameircan rape of Yugoslavia,
including the unforgettable bombing of the Belgrade TV Tower, which
dared to tell the truth about USA's bombing of the Kosovar refugee
trucks, which NATO had been trying to blame on Serbs. This truth
exposed US and NATO leaders as liars. And what do US and NATO leaders
do when exposed a sliars: thehy go on an all-out crusade to physically
exterminate journalists, purely out of the Amerivan love and dedication
to the Freedom of Speech and the Truth.
Besln tapes would be pure heaven for the SCB people like Mama Hui, as
it depicts in gory detail the deaths of hundres and hundreds of
innocent Ossetian boys and girls. Yes, they do look dark and
non-Russian but the Ossetians are true greek Orthodox Christians like
Russians and the deaths of their children should give pleasure to many
SCB posters.
Post by vello
In your list we find KZ camps of nazis,
What is "KZ"? Kazakhstan? here do i mention Nazi camps in Kazakhstan?
Post by vello
but not Gulag ones.
Any terrorist is thinking that, sure, actions of "enemies" are
bad,bad,bad, but crimes commited by "ours" are honorable fight against
enemies of reich/derzhava, nation, faith, ideology, race.
Of course. I know lots of Ameircans who are proud of USA's cimes
agianst humanity in Germany (Dresden), Japan, Viet Nam, Panama, Haiti,
Chile, Afghanistan, and if course Iraq. They actually cheerat the sight
of dead "muzzies".
Post by vello
You, as other
mental or physical terrorists
Could you please remind me how you have proved that I am a "mental
and/or physical terrorist"? I see no evidence here. Nor any proof.
Post by vello
live in a black and white world - if you
are not "own", you are on opposite side and worth killing..
Not at all. You justknow that I live in America and concludethat,
likeall Americans, I must see the World in B&W. This is pure bigotry
and sereotyping on your art. Shame.
Post by vello
In real
life 99% of people and nations just want to live in peace and look for
some succ3ess and happiness.
But we are not talking about those 99%. We are talking aobut Mama Hui,
who belongs to that remaining 1% that live to jerk off to the sight of
innocent civilians of a particular race/ethnicity/nationality/religion
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Eugene Holman
Post by l***@cs.com
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants. No such luck.
So, let me hear how MamaHui's love for seeing Russian civilians die in
ethnic pogroms is, in you opinion, a great thing, bu my suggestion that
Mama Hui may then watch Beslan, Budenovsk and Nord Ost tapes, that
depict the deaths of innocent Russian children, as well as the pictures
of innocent Jewish children dead in Nazi camps - that, in your opinion,
proves that I am a "terorrist".
Sure you are:-)
I am getting tired of this libel. Please either give proof that I am
indeed "terrorist" or apologize and admit to being a scum.
Post by vello
You are a perfect team with Hui, both players of the
very same game, just on opposite side of playfield.
That's called "opposite teams" and "opponents".

How about you? Are you against, say, "communism"? Then you are "both
players of the very same game, just on opposite side of playfield". In
other words, by being an anti-communist, you are a communist. That's
your "logic".
vello
2006-09-15 18:36:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
I am getting tired of this libel. Please either give proof that I am
indeed "terrorist" or apologize and admit to being a scum.
Post by vello
You are a perfect team with Hui, both players of the
very same game, just on opposite side of playfield.
That's called "opposite teams" and "opponents".
How about you? Are you against, say, "communism"? Then you are "both
players of the very same game, just on opposite side of playfield". In
other words, by being an anti-communist, you are a communist. That's
your "logic".
Hard to say. I'm not against (or pro) of some empty words, my decicion
will follow when I see what real actions are behind those words. For me
nazis and reds were the same thing despite they fight each other - both
they put irrealistic ideas at first and keep human being on a low key -
what logically drives both of them to crimes against humanity.
As I got no answer to my main question last time, I put it here again:

Why you can't agree that it is crime to kill and occupy ANYONE, no
matter chechen, russian or a jew? That ANY nation deserves his
homeland, no matter balts, chechens, serbs, croatians or jews?
v***@hotmail.com
2006-09-14 11:13:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.

Leave the "Day they were liberated" crap for those that don't know.

R.
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-14 23:27:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.
You are confusing Russians with Germans and Spaniards. Do all Europeans
look the same to you?
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Leave the "Day they were liberated" crap for those that don't know.
R.
vello
2006-09-15 06:35:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.
You are confusing Russians with Germans and Spaniards. Do all Europeans
look the same to you?
Nazis made 1/3 of commie record (well they had less time for that job
so lets agree commies and nazis play tie). But Spaniands????? Do you
talk about Torquemada with laughable 3000-5000 corps produced?
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-15 07:45:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.
You are confusing Russians with Germans and Spaniards. Do all Europeans
look the same to you?
Nazis made 1/3 of commie record
Please give exact numbers, broken down by the type of death, and
authoritative sources, on which you made your comparison.
Post by vello
(well they had less time for that job
so lets agree commies and nazis play tie). But Spaniands????? Do you
talk about Torquemada with laughable 3000-5000 corps produced?
You obviously don't consider Indians (Native Americans) to be human, do
you? You must be a Catholic then. Am I right?
vello
2006-09-15 13:02:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.
You are confusing Russians with Germans and Spaniards. Do all Europeans
look the same to you?
Nazis made 1/3 of commie record
Please give exact numbers, broken down by the type of death, and
authoritative sources, on which you made your comparison.
Nobody have them. Even on nazis documented record is about 38 000 only.
Most popular no-s circulating in media are 20 millions for nazis and
60-70 millions for commies. Last one was regularily used by Russian
media back in 1991-1992. If you want me cout all this bone by bone - I
have no time for that. Also a big bart of victims were burned so no
bones left.
How much I know 20 mil for nazis count also allied soldiers killed on
battlefield but for soviets cont is just by civilian victims.
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by vello
(well they had less time for that job
so lets agree commies and nazis play tie). But Spaniands????? Do you
talk about Torquemada with laughable 3000-5000 corps produced?
You obviously don't consider Indians (Native Americans) to be human, do
you? You must be a Catholic then. Am I right?
You are wrong, I'm protestant, if it is important. Sorry, I forgot
indians. But anyway there was not enough indians in America to compete
with commie/nazi records.

Must check (and may be wrong) but by my memory European diseases made
most of the job in America, dont remember about some KZ or Gulag like
system there.
s***@gmail.com
2006-09-15 17:44:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
You obviously don't consider Indians (Native Americans) to be human, do
you? You must be a Catholic then. Am I right?
The structure of his little ad hominen argument is two lines:

1. - Makes an outrageous accusation, offering no evidence.
2. - Offers an unjustified conclusion, which contains a religious
slur.

Now, just think of the instant wailing and accustaions of anti-Semitism
if somebody had done this to hime instead, e.g.

1. - You obviously don't consider Palestinians (or Arabs and
Muslims in general) to be human, do you?
2. - You must be a Jewish, then.

Am I right?
vello
2006-09-15 18:41:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
You obviously don't consider Indians (Native Americans) to be human, do
you? You must be a Catholic then. Am I right?
1. - Makes an outrageous accusation, offering no evidence.
2. - Offers an unjustified conclusion, which contains a religious
slur.
Now, just think of the instant wailing and accustaions of anti-Semitism
if somebody had done this to hime instead, e.g.
1. - You obviously don't consider Palestinians (or Arabs and
Muslims in general) to be human, do you?
2. - You must be a Jewish, then.
Am I right?
It happens. Poor career and/or poor luck with women often turns person
a bitter one.
Dmitry
2006-09-15 21:41:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.
You are confusing Russians with Germans and Spaniards. Do all Europeans
look the same to you?
Nazis made 1/3 of commie record
Please give exact numbers, broken down by the type of death, and
authoritative sources, on which you made your comparison.
Post by vello
(well they had less time for that job
so lets agree commies and nazis play tie). But Spaniands????? Do you
talk about Torquemada with laughable 3000-5000 corps produced?
You obviously don't consider Indians (Native Americans) to be human, do
you? You must be a Catholic then. Am I right?
I don't think you are. Vello is not a racist and it is very unlikely
that he is a Catholic. Am I wrong?

John has described your method of argument in very recent
post...........and you've confirmed it almost immediately. Am I right?
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-16 11:52:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dmitry
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.
You are confusing Russians with Germans and Spaniards. Do all Europeans
look the same to you?
Nazis made 1/3 of commie record
Please give exact numbers, broken down by the type of death, and
authoritative sources, on which you made your comparison.
Post by vello
(well they had less time for that job
so lets agree commies and nazis play tie). But Spaniands????? Do you
talk about Torquemada with laughable 3000-5000 corps produced?
You obviously don't consider Indians (Native Americans) to be human, do
you? You must be a Catholic then. Am I right?
I don't think you are. Vello is not a racist
I agree. It's just that he doesn't know history.
Post by Dmitry
and it is very unlikely
that he is a Catholic. Am I wrong?
I don't know. I was being sarcastic. I often forget that I am not
talking to a Russian audience here, and thus should turn down sarcasm,
irony, and must explain elementary thoughts to you guys.
Post by Dmitry
John has described your method of argument in very recent
post...........and you've confirmed it almost immediately. Am I right?
I have no idea. I read fairly few of John's posts. Among the SCB
retards - Lorad, John, Vitas - John is the most uninteresting and
humourless one.
s***@gmail.com
2006-09-16 12:55:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@yahoo.com
You obviously don't consider Indians (Native Americans) to be human, do
you? You must be a Catholic then. Am I right?
The structure of his little ad hominen argument is two lines:

1. - Makes an outrageous accusation, offering no evidence.
2. - Offers an unjustified conclusion, which contains a religious
slur.

Now, just think of the instant wailing and accustaions of anti-Semitism

if somebody had done this to hime instead, e.g.

1. - You obviously don't consider Palestinians (or Arabs and
Muslims in general) to be human, do you?
2. - You must be a Jewish, then.
vello
2006-09-16 13:16:56 UTC
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Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Dmitry
I don't think you are. Vello is not a racist
I agree. It's just that he doesn't know history.
Well, Karlamov, I do know. Both history written by commies to whitewash
their crimes (your source of self pleasure) and real history, well,
history as real as it seems to nations not participating in commie/nazi
massacres and with no need to rewrite some parts of history. My 60-70
millions for commies and 20 millions for nazis are based on data
circulating in media all the time. Do you have different numbers? Do
YOU show the sources?

Thanks for not labelling me as racist, but how about you? I still wait
for your list of nations "born to be vassals",and your list of master
nations.

Also I can't get answer to my basic question so I put it here for third
time:

Why you can't agree that it is crime to kill and occupy ANYONE, no
matter chechen, russian or a jew? That ANY nation deserves his
homeland, no matter balts, chechens, serbs, croatians or jews?

You have keep your mouth shut for two times. Is my question really so
impossible to reply?
s***@gmail.com
2006-09-16 22:01:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by vello
Post by v***@yahoo.com
Post by Dmitry
I don't think you are. Vello is not a racist
I agree. It's just that he doesn't know history.
Well, Karlamov, I do know. Both history written by commies to whitewash
their crimes (your source of self pleasure) and real history, well,
history as real as it seems to nations not participating in commie/nazi
massacres and with no need to rewrite some parts of history. My 60-70
millions for commies and 20 millions for nazis are based on data
circulating in media all the time. Do you have different numbers? Do
YOU show the sources?
Thanks for not labelling me as racist, but how about you? I still wait
for your list of nations "born to be vassals",and your list of master
nations.
Also I can't get answer to my basic question so I put it here for third
Why you can't agree that it is crime to kill and occupy ANYONE, no
matter chechen, russian or a jew? That ANY nation deserves his
homeland, no matter balts, chechens, serbs, croatians or jews?
You have keep your mouth shut for two times. Is my question really so
impossible to reply?
Vello

Do they have a Finnish equivalent of "flogging a dead horse"?

Karlamov is a dead horse as far as wanting fairness and logic from him
is concerned; continuing to flog him is useless.
Kvebekski
2006-09-15 02:30:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by v***@hotmail.com
Post by v***@yahoo.com
...
Maybe we can send him the Budenovsk, Beslan and Nord Ost massacre
videos? Or the videos where Arab terrorists execute Russian diplomat
hostges in Iraq? Or maybe pictures of Nazi concentration camps on the
day they were liberated by the Russians? This jerk's jerk-off needs
will be satisfied for 10 years to come.
The World Record for mass murder, for atrocities, for assorted
Death-camps is held by You, arsehole. By Communists in general and
Russians in particular.
Leave the "Day they were liberated" crap for those that don't know.
R.
Could you name one country in which communism ever existed?
Corrupted bureaucracy, nomenklatura, system of privileges for a cast
monopolizing power and wealth, ok, but communism?

Besides, it is very simple-minded to evaluate relative casualties in
absolute numbers considering the actual demographic population curb.
ex: Loading Image...

In relative numbers, massacre of Chinese by Mongols in 13th century
would be equivalent to 290 million people today, or the population of
USA. And that's without advanced weaponry.

Russians were less hypocrites than their US counterparts. They did a lot
of the dirty job themselves. US backed and supported every form of
fanaticism to oppose any secular and/or nationalist and/or non-aligned
leaders to succeed in most of the world (from the muslim brothers
against Nasser, hamas against Arafat, Pinochet against Allende,
Talibans, Indonesian invasion and occupation of East Timor,
unconditional support of the only regime having named a country by its
surname, mujahiddins of which the Washington Post said:

"They managed to put down a brave resistance. Simple people, fighting
with hand-me-down weapons, have borne tremendous costs and kept a modern
well-armed state from imposing an alien political will. The fight for
freedom in Afghanistan is an awesome spectacle and deserves generous
tribute. "

LOL? It sounds like islamist newspaper praising hezbollah. Certainly
ironic.
captain.
2006-09-12 07:36:46 UTC
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http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.
The violence included mobs with Molotov cocktails burning down
Caucasian-owned businesses and natives of the Caucasus being forced out of
town. An air of fear and uncertainty permeated the town Sunday
The angry mobs, which left the town of 37,000 pockmarked with
storefront fires and shattered glass, stemmed from a fight Wednesday evening
outside the Chaika restaurant in which two ethnic Russians were killed.
A group of young ethnic Russians, including some ex-convicts, had been
drinking in the restaurant that evening, an official at Karelia's Interior
Ministry said.
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
No such luck.
you get off on that sort of stuff? :)
v***@yahoo.com
2006-09-12 21:41:07 UTC
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http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.
The violence included mobs with Molotov cocktails burning down
Caucasian-owned businesses and natives of the Caucasus being forced out of
town. An air of fear and uncertainty permeated the town Sunday
The angry mobs, which left the town of 37,000 pockmarked with
storefront fires and shattered glass, stemmed from a fight Wednesday evening
outside the Chaika restaurant in which two ethnic Russians were killed.
A group of young ethnic Russians, including some ex-convicts, had been
drinking in the restaurant that evening, an official at Karelia's Interior
Ministry said.
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
No such luck.
you get off on that sort of stuff? :)
Aren't you familiar with his posts?
BluntForceTraumaT
2006-09-12 23:47:42 UTC
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Post by captain.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=18713
By Simon Saradzhyan and Evgenia Ivanova
Staff Writer
The northwestern industrial town of Kondopoga was consumed by ethnic
violence over the weekend, with angry and often drunken bands of Slavs
waging an uncoordinated series of attacks on natives of the Caucasus.
The violence included mobs with Molotov cocktails burning down
Caucasian-owned businesses and natives of the Caucasus being forced
out
of
town. An air of fear and uncertainty permeated the town Sunday
The angry mobs, which left the town of 37,000 pockmarked with
storefront fires and shattered glass, stemmed from a fight Wednesday evening
outside the Chaika restaurant in which two ethnic Russians were killed.
A group of young ethnic Russians, including some ex-convicts,
had
been
drinking in the restaurant that evening, an official at Karelia's Interior
Ministry said.
I was waiting to read that native Karelians were attacking illegal
russian immigrants.
No such luck.
you get off on that sort of stuff? :)
Aren't you familiar with his posts?
Aren't you familiar with LAX, Century Blvd porn shops and panhandling?
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