the Poles allege 'the Russians threat' etc

[Oleg Smirnov]

"Russia has banned Polandâ?Ts popular, but controversial,
Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka, Polandâ?Ts state
Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russiaâ?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as â?oanti-Russianâ? and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the gameâ?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011. It's
not banned. Internet search <http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives
a number of shops in Russia that currently offer it. It seems
to be quite a mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to
be 'popular'. I never heard about this game before.

Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the Facebook
<http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I can understand
that the manufacturer recently somehow changed the version
of the game intended to the Russian market. Then their Russian
distributor company allegedly warned them that the new version
might meet negative response from the Russian public and from
Rospotrebnadzor ('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').

They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that the
seller should change text in the booklet that is a supplement
to the game supposed 'to introduce into historical context' etc.

There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one more)
tragic drama in Russian - neither in official sources nor in
non-official blogs / opposition media etc - the hysteria grows
solely from Polish and Ukrainian sources. So I can suppose two
possible options. First is, the Polish manufacturer of the game
has made up this story in order to achieve more publicity and
promote their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet some
nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in Russia. It's a
well known fact that the mainstream Polish propaganda used to
combine criticism against the Soviets and racist hatred against
the ethnic Russians two in one. In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's
intervention would be explainable.

Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European country that
doesn't produce anything in economical and cultural sense that
might be interesting to Russian market and public. Meanwhile,
the Poles (mainly, the Polish intelligentsia and politicians)
tend to believe that Poland is destined to have some 'special'
links with Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's not
the case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of their soul.

In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations, sort of
'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody gives a shit about
us the Poles here' eg. <http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the
anti-Putin opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests
them.'

This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to try to
remind about their existence through destructive invectives. It
includes the promotion of the anti-Russian racism in combination
with the Polish victimhood in regard to the USSR and Russian
empire. Dramatic play of the role of Russian victims is a kind
of professional occupation of the mainstream Polish politicians.
Eg., the Polish defense minister recently issued a statement
<http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that the terrorism as phenomenon
is a product of the Soviet ideas while it 'did not exist in the
history of Western Christendom' (Polish defense ministers seem
to be traditionally a sort of clowns <http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).

The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a context.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

"Russia has banned Poland�?Ts popular, but controversial,
Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka, Poland�?Ts state
Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russia�?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as �?oanti-Russian�?� and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the game�?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011. It's
not banned. Internet search <http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives
a number of shops in Russia that currently offer it. It seems
to be quite a mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to
be 'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the Facebook
<http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I can understand
that the manufacturer recently somehow changed the version
of the game intended to the Russian market. Then their Russian
distributor company allegedly warned them that the new version
might meet negative response from the Russian public and from
Rospotrebnadzor ('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that the
seller should change text in the booklet that is a supplement
to the game supposed 'to introduce into historical context' etc.
There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one more)
tragic drama in Russian - neither in official sources nor in
non-official blogs / opposition media etc - the hysteria grows
solely from Polish and Ukrainian sources. So I can suppose two
possible options. First is, the Polish manufacturer of the game
has made up this story in order to achieve more publicity and
promote their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet some
nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in Russia. It's a
well known fact that the mainstream Polish propaganda used to
combine criticism against the Soviets and racist hatred against
the ethnic Russians two in one. In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's
intervention would be explainable.
Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European country that
doesn't produce anything in economical and cultural sense that
might be interesting to Russian market and public. Meanwhile,
the Poles (mainly, the Polish intelligentsia and politicians)
tend to believe that Poland is destined to have some 'special'
links with Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's not
the case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of their soul.
In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations, sort of
'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody gives a shit about
us the Poles here' eg. <http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the
anti-Putin opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests
them.'
This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to try to
remind about their existence through destructive invectives. It
includes the promotion of the anti-Russian racism in combination
with the Polish victimhood in regard to the USSR and Russian
empire. Dramatic play of the role of Russian victims is a kind
of professional occupation of the mainstream Polish politicians.
Eg., the Polish defense minister recently issued a statement
<http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that the terrorism as phenomenon
is a product of the Soviet ideas while it 'did not exist in the
history of Western Christendom' (Polish defense ministers seem
to be traditionally a sort of clowns <http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.

Each player is President of an eastern European country. The aim is to
fly from one capital to the next without crashing. The player
representing Russia has the goal of shooting down the aircraft of other
players.

I think it could be fun.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
This game is being sold on the Russian market since
2011. It's not banned. Internet search
<http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives a number of shops in
Russia that currently offer it. It seems to be quite a
mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to be
'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the
Facebook <http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I
can understand that the manufacturer recently somehow
changed the version of the game intended to the Russian
market. Then their Russian distributor company allegedly
warned them that the new version might meet negative
response from the Russian public and from Rospotrebnadzor
('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that
the seller should change text in the booklet that is a
supplement to the game supposed 'to introduce into
historical context' etc.
There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one
more) tragic drama in Russian - neither in official
sources nor in non-official blogs / opposition media etc
- the hysteria grows solely from Polish and Ukrainian
sources. So I can suppose two possible options. First
is, the Polish manufacturer of the game has made up this
story in order to achieve more publicity and promote
their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet
some nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in
Russia. It's a well known fact that the mainstream
Polish propaganda used to combine criticism against the
Soviets and racist hatred against the ethnic Russians
two in one. In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's
intervention would be explainable.
Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European
country that doesn't produce anything in economical and
cultural sense that might be interesting to Russian
market and public. Meanwhile, the Poles (mainly, the
Polish intelligentsia and politicians) tend to believe
that Poland is destined to have some 'special' links
with Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's
not the case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of
their soul.
In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations,
sort of 'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody
gives a shit about us the Poles here' eg.
<http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the anti-Putin
opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests
them.'
This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to
try to remind about their existence through destructive
invectives. It includes the promotion of the
anti-Russian racism in combination with the Polish
victimhood in regard to the USSR and Russian empire.
Dramatic play of the role of Russian victims is a kind
of professional occupation of the mainstream Polish
politicians. Eg., the Polish defense minister recently
issued a statement <http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that
the terrorism as phenomenon is a product of the Soviet
ideas while it 'did not exist in the history of Western
Christendom' (Polish defense ministers seem to be
traditionally a sort of clowns
<http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a
context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.
Each player is President of an eastern European country.
The aim is to fly from one capital to the next without
crashing. The player representing Russia has the goal of
shooting down the aircraft of other players.
I think it could be fun.

You and Mr Hammond have a risk to fall into a persistent
unhealthy obsession with Russia similar to the Polish one,
and it will not lead to anything good.

[A. Filip]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

"Russia has banned Polandâ?Ts popular, but controversial,
Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka, Polandâ?Ts state
Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russiaâ?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as anti-Russian and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the gameâ?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011. It's
not banned. Internet search <http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives
a number of shops in Russia that currently offer it. It seems
to be quite a mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to
be 'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the Facebook
<http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I can understand
that the manufacturer recently somehow changed the version
of the game intended to the Russian market. Then their Russian
distributor company allegedly warned them that the new version
might meet negative response from the Russian public and from
Rospotrebnadzor ('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that the
seller should change text in the booklet that is a supplement
to the game supposed 'to introduce into historical context' etc.

[...]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.
Each player is President of an eastern European country. The aim is to
fly from one capital to the next without crashing. The player
representing Russia has the goal of shooting down the aircraft of
other players.
I think it could be fun.

Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught" and
you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed) paranoid" by Oleg ;-)

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by A. Filip

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a
context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.
Each player is President of an eastern European country.
The aim is to fly from one capital to the next without
crashing. The player representing Russia has the goal of
shooting down the aircraft of other players.
I think it could be fun.

Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught" and
you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed) paranoid"
by Oleg ;-)

The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

The Polish establishment sells the spectacular sort
of paranoia in Poland to the superior Atlanticist
establishment (like a hooker sells simulated orgasm),
which helps the Atlanticist policymakers to justify
their hegemonist interventionist agenda.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and it's not the main
component.
The Polish establishment sells the spectacular sort
of paranoia in Poland to the superior Atlanticist
establishment (like a hooker sells simulated orgasm),
which helps the Atlanticist policymakers to justify
their hegemonist interventionist agenda.

There's no reason for the Poles to worry about Russian intentions.
Russia's invaded Poland a mere eight times since 1600, and been
partitioned for many years, so it's clear Russia is a reliable and
peaceful neighbour.

1632 invasion by Russia

1654 invasion by Russia

1733 invasion by Russia

1767 invasion by Russia

1792 invasion by Russia

1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria

1831 invasion by Russia

1920 invasion by Russia

1939 invasion by Russia

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

"Russia has banned Polandâ?Ts popular, but
controversial, Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka,
Polandâ?Ts state Institute of National Remembrance
(IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russiaâ?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as â?oanti-Russianâ? and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the gameâ?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011.
It's not banned. Internet search
<http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives a number of shops in
Russia that currently offer it. It seems to be quite a
mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to be
'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the
Facebook <http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I
can understand that the manufacturer recently somehow
changed the version of the game intended to the Russian
market. Then their Russian distributor company allegedly
warned them that the new version might meet negative
response from the Russian public and from Rospotrebnadzor
('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that
the seller should change text in the booklet that is a
supplement to the game supposed 'to introduce into
historical context' etc.
There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one
more) tragic drama in Russian - neither in official
sources nor in non-official blogs / opposition media etc
- the hysteria grows solely from Polish and Ukrainian
sources.

So far, one Russian [opposition] outlet has retold this
story and asked Rospotrebnadzor's pressservice to comment
<http://qr.de/ba5V>. The officials answered they could
know about that from the news media only. Moreover they
say that ideological issues in historical commentary - if
any - is not their sphere of competence, they watch only
about safety and age restrictions.

I'd like if Russia's authorities issued a recommendation
not to do business with Polish sellers without much need
since it ends up with the Polish stink like this.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So I can suppose two possible options. First is,
the Polish manufacturer of the game has made up this
story in order to achieve more publicity and promote
their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet
some nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in
Russia. It's a well known fact that the mainstream Polish
propaganda used to combine criticism against the Soviets
and racist hatred against the ethnic Russians two in one.
In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's intervention would be
explainable.
Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European country
that doesn't produce anything in economical and cultural
sense that might be interesting to Russian market and
public. Meanwhile, the Poles (mainly, the Polish
intelligentsia and politicians) tend to believe that
Poland is destined to have some 'special' links with
Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's not the
case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of their
soul.
In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations,
sort of 'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody gives
a shit about us the Poles here' eg.
<http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the anti-Putin
opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests them.'
This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to
try to remind about their existence through destructive
invectives. It includes the promotion of the anti-Russian
racism in combination with the Polish victimhood in
regard to the USSR and Russian empire. Dramatic play of
the role of Russian victims is a kind of professional
occupation of the mainstream Polish politicians. Eg., the
Polish defense minister recently issued a statement
<http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that the terrorism as
phenomenon is a product of the Soviet ideas while it 'did
not exist in the history of Western Christendom' (Polish
defense ministers seem to be traditionally a sort of
clowns <http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a
context.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
I'd like if Russia's authorities issued a recommendation
not to do business with Polish sellers without much need
since it ends up with the Polish stink like this.

Just invade Poland. That'll show 'em.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/hc7lye5> kresy.pl 2016-03-26

Polish general <http://is.gd/vQIe6t> warns about the Russians:

"We will fall in very first battle. Our armed forces are weak while the
massive Russian army would take three days to reach Vistula. But we can't
give our young people to perdition. All the Poles capable of fighting
should be evacuated from the country into some another NATO country,
where we will be able to form new Polish army, which will be used later
to fight on the Poland's territory. The Russians will be ruthless. They
will mercilessly pacify everything. We must have a clear evacuation plan.
But nobody cares! No, I'm not suggesting to give up. We must fight. But
we need to think over in advance who will be playing with whom." etc

The drivel like this is a quite typical attribute of the Polish officials.

One might suggest they add some strong hallucinogens in their drinking
water supply facilities, or something like that, however I tend to believe
such an excitation is deliberate, a form of perverted self-satisfaction.

In addition to that it's pretty easy to find quite many Poles commenting
under Russian videos on YouTube something enthusiastic about 'Slavic
brotherhood'. This clearly means that the Polish intelligentsia and policy
makers are very jealous of attraction of their populace to Russia. On the
third hand there are many radical nationalist Poles really hating Russia.

Too much schizophrenia in Poland.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Polish media <http://tinyurl.com/zlbfng5> biznes.onet.pl 2016-03-14

5.5 million of the Poles are liveing without electricity, sanitation or in
overcrowded conditions.

Poland is one of the last places in Europe when it comes to housing policies.
About 5.5 million people, or 14% of the population are living in substandard
conditions in Poland - according to the latest report of 'Foundation Habitat
For Humanity' (OS: The percentage seems to be calculated on the basis of the
total number of Poland's citizens, not including emigration).

"In Poland, we have 360 separate apartments per 1000 inhabitants, while the
European average is 100 more. In Germany for example it's about 500 per 1000
(OS: In Spain 565, in the Netherlands, Britain and Russia - about 440). One
can imagine effect of such an overpopulation against the living space. It is
estimated that a half of people of reproductive age, between 25 to 30 years
old, share their apartment with siblings, parents or others" says Malgorzata
Salamon, director of the Foundation for Habitat for Humanity.

...

She hints the reproductive Poles must have been accustomed to group sex etc.

Poland is a full member of the EU since 2004, - in May this year it will be
12th anniversary. And how has it benefited the Poles? Despite the 'success
story' image in the Atlanticist mass media Polish indicators of economy and
living standards are either similar or worse than the Russian ones. This is
despite the fact that Poland is 'the largest recipient' of the EU subsidies.

Bloomberg 2015-12-16 <http://archive.is/MRQlS>
"For 2014-2020, it stands to receive <http://is.gd/e3120r> almost 86
billion euros in structural and technical assistance, more than a quarter
of the total allocated for the purpose. That doesn't include allocations
under the Common Agricultural Policy - another 28.5 billion euros."

In the late Soviet age, in the 1980s, Poland was considered more developed
than the USSR, the Soviet people were glad to obtain furniture and clothing
etc of Polish production. Today it's nothing like this. The main product
Poland can offer to Russian market is apples <http://sptnkne.ws/FRe> (which
are of pretty poor quality in comparison to apples of other producers).

The main effect of the Poland's EU membership is that the dickheads like
Mr. Sikorski and Mr. Tusk are now included into the EU-cracy club. The main
effect to ordinary Poles is the opportunity to emigrate from their hapless
fatherland. Today about 2.5 millions of the Poles (about one in ten of the
whole number of the Polish employable) are living outside Poland, mostly in
Britain and Germany <http://archive.is/qia5a>, where they are subjected to
humiliation and racist attacks <http://archive.is/VIQLs> from aboriginals.

Likely, the modest gains in the economic and social management is the main
reason why the post-Soviet Polish establishment tries its best to switch
attention of the Polish plebs from real issues to imaginary Russian threat.
Emulation of the anti-Russia hysteria by Polish officials is also a soft
of service they sell to their American masters. Atlanticism needs 'proof'
and live illustration of alleged Russian threat, and the Polish political
whores can play such a role well.

...

By the way, situation with labor emigration is even more 'disastrous' in
the Baltic states - about quarter (or may be a third) of their populations
are now more or less persistently living abroad.

It's amusing to note, - when it comes to emigration from Russia (most part
of which is caused by labor / economic reasons as well), the Atlanticist
mass media usually raise the false narrative 'Russia's best and brightest
run away from Putin' with a great enthusiasm, but nobody finds interesting
the much huge economic migration from East Europe.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hc7lye5> kresy.pl 2016-03-26
"We will fall in very first battle. Our armed forces are weak while the
massive Russian army would take three days to reach Vistula. But we can't
give our young people to perdition. All the Poles capable of fighting
should be evacuated from the country into some another NATO country,
where we will be able to form new Polish army, which will be used later
to fight on the Poland's territory. The Russians will be ruthless. They
will mercilessly pacify everything. We must have a clear evacuation plan.
But nobody cares! No, I'm not suggesting to give up. We must fight. But
we need to think over in advance who will be playing with whom." etc
The drivel like this is a quite typical attribute of the Polish officials.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/zlzu3u> politico.eu

Polish foreign minister: No more 'negro mentality' toward US

Witold Waszczykowski's words get him into trouble again.

By JAN CIENSKI | 3/30/16

Poland's new government has shed the country's "negro mentality" when it comes
to relations with the United States, Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski
said on Polish public television.
Waszczykowski's use of *murzynskosci*, a phrase insulting in both Polish and
English, was supposed to be his way of showing that Poland's right-wing Law
and Justice party (PiS) government has broken with the supposed servile
attitude towards Washington demonstrated by the previous government. ..

...

Pan Waszczykowski's statement is indeed an oxymoron.

Polish 'murzynskosc' literally means 'niggerness'. English non-insulting and
perfectly polite equivalent would be 'slavishness'. But, because the Poles are
Slavs it means Poland cannot be non-slavish, simply by design.

Btw it's not the Waszczykowski's specific wording. Former Polish MFA Sikorski
used it as well, but not in public <http://archive.is/fl9Oa>. In 2008 Sikorski
also joked Obama's grandfather was a cannibal <http://archive.is/Gtl6c>.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Polish media <http://tinyurl.com/zlbfng5> biznes.onet.pl 2016-03-14
5.5 million of the Poles are liveing without electricity, sanitation or in
overcrowded conditions.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Here is what the Polish nationalist loonies are really dreaming about.

<http://tinyurl.com/jksp8cd> unian.info

"I am considering the idea of creating a partnership bloc stretching
from the Baltic to the Black and the Adriatic seas." .. said newly elected
President of Poland Andrzej Duda last week in an interview ..

<http://tinyurl.com/jf7shu9> cepa.org

The Dream of the Intermarium

<http://tinyurl.com/glzxlzv> stratfor.com

The revival of Intermarium ..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zlzu3u>
Polish foreign minister: No more 'negro mentality' toward US

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/gnag9qp> foreignpolicy.com

The Ghosts of Smolensk
How the divisive legacy of late President Lech Kaczynski still poisons
Poland's politics.

CHRISTIAN DAVIES | APRIL 8, 2016

.. But during a stopover in Crimea to collect the Latvian prime minister and
the presidents of Estonia, Lithuania, and Ukraine, Kaczynski announced a
change of plan: They would be flying directly to Tbilisi. His pilot refused.
They did not have the requisite security guarantees to fly into a war zone on
such short notice, he said, and he could not fulfill his duty to ensure the
safety of the passengers.

Kaczynski confronted the pilot, demanding respect for his authority as head of
state. "If someone decides to become a pilot, he cannot be fearful," the
president told him, according to the Polish newspaper Dziennik. "After we
return home we shall deal with this matter." A few weeks later, a deputy from
Kaczynski's Law and Justice party demanded that the pilot be prosecuted on the
grounds of his "cowardice" and insubordination. .. While the pilot who was
accused of cowardice ultimately dropped out of the military, citing
depression, his co-pilot and navigator died in an aviation disaster just under
two years later. They were flying a delegation led by President Kaczynski to
Smolensk in western Russia. ..

.. President Kaczynski, however, had not been invited. It suited both Tusk and
Putin to underscore that, whereas Kaczynski's confrontational approach had
left him isolated, their statesmanship had yielded results. But Kaczynski was
determined not to allow Tusk to take all the credit. Shunned by Dmitry
Medvedev, his Russian counterpart, Kaczynski scheduled his own delegation to
Katyn. It was this rival delegation, flying in the same plane as Tusk's had
done three days before, that would never reach its destination.

To Kaczynski's supporters, Tusk's "alliance" with Putin offered grounds for
suspicion that the tragic accident that killed Kaczynski was, in fact, an
assassination. For them, the prime minister's concessions to Germany and
Russia were tantamount to national surrender, his conciliatory approach craven
and unpatriotic. Kaczynski, they argue, had proven a formidable obstacle to
these dastardly plots. In fact, he was so dangerous to Tusk and Putin that he
was to be eliminated. ..

For Kaczynski's critics, the most likely explanation is more prosaic, if
nonetheless troubling. 2010 was a presidential election year, and Kaczynski
was lagging badly in the polls. They argue that Kaczynski's delegation was
heaving with top-ranking officials because of his desire to assert his status
as head of state. When the warning came from Russia that his plane should turn
back on account of heavy fog, it is possible to imagine that this was
interpreted not as a warning made in good faith, but as a ruse to humiliate
him further. Kaczynski had a record when it came to pressuring pilots to land
in dangerous circumstances, and cockpit recordings appear to show senior
officials pressuring the pilots to land immediately before impact. ..

...

The story illustrates the features of the Polish nationalism Kaczynski style.

A shrill hell of a mix of.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zlzu3u>
Polish foreign minister: No more 'negro mentality' toward US

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo> politico.eu

European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland

MEPs hopes to spur the Commission to crack down on Warsaw.

MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND JAN CIENSKI | 4/11/16

Poland should face the next level of scrutiny from the European Commission
in its probe of the country's rule of law, according to a draft motion seen
by POLITICO that is being readied for debate in the European Parliament on
Wednesday. ..

If the right-wing government in Warsaw doesn't comply, then the Commission
should move to the second stage of the rule of law procedure which "shall
clarify whether there is a systemic threat to the democratic values and the
rule of law in Poland," the draft resolution states. ..

...

Euroatlanticism allows dense right-wing agenda only for special purposes.
That's why the current Polish government is so industriously yelling and
whining - and jumping and beating their head on the floor - about fictional
Russian threat. "Please allow us to exist, Sir, Russia is about going to
invade us, so, please, allow us to exist."

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/gnag9qp>
The Ghosts of Smolensk

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo> politico.eu
European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland
MEPs hopes to spur the Commission to crack down on Warsaw.
MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND JAN CIENSKI | 4/11/16
Poland should face the next level of scrutiny from the European Commission
in its probe of the country's rule of law, according to a draft motion seen
by POLITICO that is being readied for debate in the European Parliament on
Wednesday. ..
If the right-wing government in Warsaw doesn't comply, then the Commission
should move to the second stage of the rule of law procedure which "shall
clarify whether there is a systemic threat to the democratic values and the
rule of law in Poland," the draft resolution states. ..
...
Euroatlanticism allows dense right-wing agenda only for special purposes.
That's why the current Polish government is so industriously yelling and
whining - and jumping and beating their head on the floor - about fictional
Russian threat. "Please allow us to exist, Sir, Russia is about going to
invade us, so, please, allow us to exist."

How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

[Mr. B1ack]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo> politico.eu
European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland
MEPs hopes to spur the Commission to crack down on Warsaw.
MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND JAN CIENSKI | 4/11/16
Poland should face the next level of scrutiny from the European Commission
in its probe of the country's rule of law, according to a draft motion seen
by POLITICO that is being readied for debate in the European Parliament on
Wednesday. ..
If the right-wing government in Warsaw doesn't comply, then the Commission
should move to the second stage of the rule of law procedure which "shall
clarify whether there is a systemic threat to the democratic values and the
rule of law in Poland," the draft resolution states. ..
...
Euroatlanticism allows dense right-wing agenda only for special purposes.
That's why the current Polish government is so industriously yelling and
whining - and jumping and beating their head on the floor - about fictional
Russian threat. "Please allow us to exist, Sir, Russia is about going to
invade us, so, please, allow us to exist."

How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

Poland has suffered MUCH more from aggressors
and conquerors to its WEST than from its east.

[DVH]

Post by Mr. B1ack

Post by DVH
How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

Poland has suffered MUCH more from aggressors
and conquerors to its WEST than from its east.

Mainly the Swedes.

But Soviet invasion followed by forty years of ownership is quite enough.

[Mr. B1ack]

Post by DVH

Post by Mr. B1ack

Post by DVH
How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

Poland has suffered MUCH more from aggressors
and conquerors to its WEST than from its east.

Mainly the Swedes.

Lots of boots through Poland over the centuries.
Some came to rule, others just passing through
(after stealing everything found in their path).

There are a few places in the world that are just
badly located - "crossroads", the place you have
to pass through to get from interesting place #1
to interesting place #2 - meaning that every
army winds up tromping across them.

Post by DVH
But Soviet invasion followed by forty years of ownership is quite enough.

Um ... they didn't so much "invade" - they came to run
out Hitler and simply never left :-)

[Oleg Smirnov]

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More amazing stuff from Poland.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo>
European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/zrxz3de> dailymail.co.uk

Poland says Russia poses existential threat, urges NATO presence

By REUTERS | PUBLISHED: 16:09 GMT, 15 April 2016

BRATISLAVA, April 15 (Reuters) - Poland Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski
said on Friday Russia has the potential to destroy countries and therefore
poses more of an existential threat than groups like the Islamic State.

Speaking at a security conference in Bratislava, Waszczykowski reiterated
Poland's call for the deployment of NATO troops on the alliance's eastern
flank, saying he hoped a July NATO summit in Warsaw would approve such moves.

"We have existential threats and non-existential threats. Of course the
Russian activity is kind of an existential threat because this activity may
destroy countries," he said when asked which security challenges he saw as
existential.

"And we have non-existential threats like terrorists, like massive wave of
migrants."

...

Poland enthusiastically supports the Atlanticist invasions that generate
the refugees flow. However it does not want to share responsibility for
consequences, and refuses to take the refugees in. That is because Poland
has something very much better to offer to Europe, I mean, the persistent
hysterical yelling about the imminent Russian invasion in Poland.

[Oleg Smirnov]

I call the Poles to ask their unwise government to stop the insanity.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zrxz3de> dailymail.co.uk
Poland says Russia poses existential threat, urges NATO presence

<http://tinyurl.com/h63ypqf> dailymail.co.uk

From 'best rated' readers comments:

Poland has had an identity crisis since joining the EU, wanting a more western
economy, exporting millions of workers to the west but without ever really
fitting into the 'tolerant society' and still hanging on to its communist
past. They need to wake up and smell the coffee, they think they are the new
Germany but they are in fact the same old Poland.

Russia have done more work battling ISIS than Poland!!! That's for sure.

We have a few poles kicking around over here so why don't they go back home
and defend their border.

'ISIS isn't a threat for Europe' - What is this man smoking?!!

ISIS isn't a threat but Russia is??? ISIS are targeting European countries,
whilst the Russians are targeting ISIS. Yep, this guy is a total plank.

Ironicly Russia has done the most to combat ISIS, they're work in Syria has
pushed them back and taken alot of territory off them.

This Polish bloke wants to call all his countrymen back home to defend their
country; but funny as it is they now consider theselves mostly British
citizens.

If the EU didn't meddle in the Ukraine, Russia would certainly be an ally of
ours. Leave them in peace, stop meddling.

Has this man been watching the news? It is not the Russians that are setting
off bombs in Belguim or Paris, its this nasty lot called ISIS. The Russians
are at least doing something in the Middle East to combat ISIS, and what do
they get The EU and the US demonising them every step of the way. Me thinks
someone wants ISIS to win and there is a hidden agenda to the slow progress
into the wests inaction into getting rid of ISIS, while our citzens have to
live in fear.

Same trash coming out of Poland again as it did from their prime minister
about welfare. After more give-away now from NATO. Always rely on others
instead of helping themselves. Why was Polish helicopter doing exercises near
Russian borders anyway. Russia is no threat to anyone but ISIS.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Angry Polish bloke writes about Poland (draft abridged translation).

<http://tinyurl.com/hovoxsy> neon24.pl

.. the West in general and the European Union in particular were never engaged
in philanthropy. They always plundered and ruthlessly exploited those who were
stupid and / or the weak enough to fall into their clutches. But the mask of
altruism flatters their soul, and it's also useful in order to make a fool of
the fools.

The West's scenario is simple. First, it lures the potential victim society by
colorful images of the Western prosperity, which is supposed to be the result
of a wise socio-economic system rather than of the centuries of colonialism.
Thus obtaining a social unrest, the West installs in power its agents. In the
Ukraine, it happened through the coup, now called "revolution of dignity". ..

The insanity like this also affected other nations. .. At the beginning of the
"transformation" the herd of Polish-speaking "Europeans" was staring adoringly
to the agents of Western financiers, bleating approvingly in response to the
drivel about "free market" and "innovative economy". At the same time, Western
corporations looted and destroyed Polish real economy, the matrix of national
material existence. Destruction of economy led to the massive "export" of our
people.

After 25 years of such an "economy", Poland is a virtually deserted country.
In the provinces, almost exclusively, only elderly pensioners and others who
for some reason could not emigrate, are remaining. Large cities are filled
with the monstrous bureaucracy and their families as well as with "students."
However, more and more often you hear foreign languages on the streets.

The western colonialists and eastern "refugees" are arriving into the country.
Growing economic difficulties in the rich Western countries cause some
Westerners to come for an easy life here where they feel themselves "supermen"
and exceptional people. Here you can find natives with an inferiority complex
and teach them something.

Meanwhile, the post-1989 generation can not even think that it's possible to
live a normal life in their own country: new normal is the persistent nomadism
within the EU with a search for a better job of dishwasher or in a brothel. ..

And our national political scene is persistently dominated by scoundrels that
already for a quarter of century betray and destroy our country, increasingly
feeling themselves under impunity. ..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zrxz3de>
Poland says Russia poses existential threat, urges NATO presence

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Angry Polish bloke writes
Western corporations looted and destroyed Polish real economy, the

matrix of

Post by Oleg Smirnov
national material existence. Destruction of economy led to the
massive "export" of our people.

Funny how Polish real GDP has risen by 500% since 1989, and individual
incomes (ppp) have risen by 240%.

If that's destruction of an economy, I'd like to see a boom.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/jppfw8y> eastwestaccord.com

Are Poland's Elites Itching for War with Russia?

PETER S RIETH | April 28, 2016

.. Poland's political class is angry that the United States did not take the
opportunity to start the third world war.

One might wonder what compels the broad, bipartisan consensus in Poland as
regards Russia? Given that further escalation would at the very least damage
economic relations which are already in tatters due to the crisis in Ukraine,
why are Poland's ruling elites playing with fire rather than working hard to
reconcile East with West? The answer is largely due to the isolation of the
ruling Solidarity elite from the common people. Unlike roughly 38 million
Poles who have to work for a living, 4 million of whom have fled West over the
past 25 years to escape poverty, the Solidarity elites who were elevated to
power in 1989 have almost never had to hold private sector jobs. They have
either been in a branch of government or in its orbit for 25 years. This
disconnection from reality blinds them to the pressing needs of their people.
Many of them also ascribe to dangerous expansionist creeds rooted in
Promethism, a political ideology seeking eastward expansion and a settling of
historical scores with Moscow. Rather than focus on economic growth for their
people and the establishment of good relations with Russia, the Solidarity
elite is determined to defeat Russia.

The United States fails to recognize that although it will presumably retain
command over any American troops eventually stationed in Poland, it will be
helpless in the face of Polish impetuosity. Polish military units might engage
Russians on international waters, just as Poland invaded Kiev in 1919 hoping
for French and British aid in the endeavor and nearly destroying their young
country in the process. The United States has achieved international power and
prominence due to a realistic application of military, economic and political
power.

The Poles, always looking for a fight with the Russians, will make American
prudence in military affairs almost impossible and risk worsening an already
tense situation. .. The United States must demonstrate a more responsible
posture and recognize the current Polish stance for what it is: a death wish
combined with an itchy trigger finger. America should not allow those itchy
fingers to influence how and when American military might is used.

...

The bunch of hateful morons that make up the major part of the current ruling
class in Poland becomes one of the most irresponsible troublemakers. Also, the
present day US is no longer an actor characterized by 'realistic application
of military, economic and political power'. The latter is the main reason of
the American decline, but until they reached a more comprehensive decline they
are still able to make various evil in the world, and in the combination with
the homicidal Poles the situation becomes more dangerous.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hovoxsy>
And our national political scene is persistently dominated by scoundrels
that already for a quarter of century betray and destroy our country,
increasingly feeling themselves under impunity. ..

[Fortunski]

Antoni Rybczyński

„NATO marzy o wojnie z Rosją”

ROSJA–NATO \ Moskwa o szczycie w Warszawie

Szczyt Sojuszu Północnoatlantyckiego w Warszawie to poraÅŒka polityki rosyjskiej. I nie do końca politycy i eksperci w Moskwie wiedzą, jak zareagować na pokaz jedności NATO oraz wzmocnienie: wschodniej flanki w sferze militarnej oraz państw, takich jak Polska, w sferze politycznej. Dlatego, obok straszenia agresją Zachodu i udawania niewiniątka przez Rosję, mamy teÅŒ bagatelizowanie decyzji szczytu

Generalnie reakcje Rosji nie zaskakują. Było jasne, ÅŒe Moskwa uzna decyzje NATO niemalÅŒe za akt wypowiedzenia wojny – w sferze propagandowej. Realnie zaś nie moÅŒe pozwolić sobie na zupełne zerwanie kontaktów z duÅŒo potęŌniejszym Sojuszem. Jeszcze nie moÅŒe.

Gołąbki w Moskwie...
Pierwsza oficjalna reakcja państwa rosyjskiego pojawiła się dzień po zakończeniu szczytu w Polsce. I jest pełna nowomowy tak charakterystycznej dla „pokojowej” polityki ZSRS. „Wbrew obiektywnym interesom podtrzymania pokoju i stabilności w Europie i konieczności zespolenia potencjałów wszystkich odpowiedzialnych graczy międzynarodowych w przeciwdziałaniu wyzwaniom realnym, a nie wymyślonym, Sojusz koncentruje swe wysiłki na »powstrzymywaniu« nieistniejącego »zagroÅŒenia ze Wschodu«” – głosi oświadczenie opublikowane na stronie internetowej rosyjskiego MSZ. Moskwa zapowiedziała, ÅŒe na posiedzeniu Rady Rosja–NATO 13 lipca ma nadzieję dostać „szczegółowe wyjaśnienia przedstawicieli Sojuszu o natowskich wzmocnieniach na wszystkich »azymutach«”. Są teÅŒ oczywiście pouczenia i wskazywanie NATO, czym powinno się zająć. Na pewno nie „demonizowaną” Rosją. „Uderzająca nierównowaga w umacnianiu flank NATO na tle bezprecedensowej skali niebezpieczeństwa, jakie pochodzi z kierunku południowego, świadczy o coraz bardziej oczywistym oderwaniu się bloku od aktualnych problemów dotyczących obrony i zapewnienia bezpieczeństwa obywateli państw członkowskich NATO” – napisano w komunikacie.

http://www.gazetapolska.pl/34811-nato-marzy-o-wojnie-z-rosja

[Oleg Smirnov]

Antoni Rybczynski
"NATO marzy o wojnie z Rosja"
ROSJA-NATO \ Moskwa o szczycie w Warszawie
http://www.gazetapolska.pl/34811-nato-marzy-o-wojnie-z-rosja

That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

[Fortunski]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:nmiel0$led$***@os.motzarella.org...

That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I’ll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only invaded Poland
nine times in the past. Poles can rest easy.

1632 invasion by Russia

1654 invasion by Russia

1733 invasion by Russia

1767 invasion by Russia

1792 invasion by Russia

1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria

1831 invasion by Russia

1920 invasion by Russia

1939 invasion by Russia

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only invaded Poland
nine times in the past. Poles can rest easy.

1632 invasion by Russia

1654 invasion by Russia

1733 invasion by Russia

1767 invasion by Russia

1792 invasion by Russia

1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria

1831 invasion by Russia

1920 invasion by Russia

1939 invasion by Russia

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid,
you should demand from your clownish shitty government
to stop promote the falsehood that Russia allegedly
wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>

Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid,
you should demand from your clownish shitty government
to stop promote the falsehood that Russia allegedly
wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.

I sense another invasion...

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and
stupid, you should demand from your clownish shitty
government to stop promote the falsehood that Russia
allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.

Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The
Poles are not welcome in Russia, so they should stop
their non-natural hysteria, and the malicious British
should stop to incite the guileless Poles to insanity.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and
stupid, you should demand from your clownish shitty
government to stop promote the falsehood that Russia
allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia

Just annex the country, like you've done numerous times before. That way
the Russians will be in their failing state, and the Poles will be in
Poland, and everybody will be happy.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.
Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The Poles are not
welcome in Russia, so they should stop their non-natural hysteria, and
the malicious British should stop to incite the guileless Poles to
insanity.

That's a lot of shoulds. But then you might not know what "should" means.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH
I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has
only invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can
rest easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia

Just annex the country, like you've done numerous times
before. That way the Russians will be in their failing
state, and the Poles will be in Poland, and everybody
will be happy.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.
Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The
Poles are not welcome in Russia, so they should stop
their non-natural hysteria, and the malicious British
should stop to incite the guileless Poles to insanity.

That's a lot of shoulds. But then you might not know what
"should" means.

We are not in position to 'annex' any land while ignoring
the will of the local people. The British empire collapsed,
so stop wanking. Russia is not an empire.

[u2]

"after the Jews declared war on Germany in March, 1933."
from a neoNazi propaganda promoted on scp by "Oleg Smirnov" as "an interesting reading"

don`t trust Piotr, a very decent and very modest ocean-researcher from
New Fumfland CA

he is a Pole eater:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by u2

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:11:57 PM UTC-2:30, DVH
Don't feed neoNazi troll "Oleg Smirnov", That troll
defended Hitler by claiming that the III Reich was a
victim of unprovoked aggression, and propmoted his
neoNazi sources that the German was subject to
aggression. among others, by Poland, US, and of course,

"Basis of the Polish policy in the East is related to upcoming
dismemberment of Russia ... Therefore, our feasible position
might be expressed in the following formula: who will take
part in the section. Poland should not remain passive in this
remarkable historical moment. The goal is to prepare well to
it, physically and morally." (December 1938, Report of the 2nd
(intelligence) department of the Main Staff of the Polish Army,
Z dziejow stosunkow polsko-radzieckich. Studia i materialy.
T. III. Warszawa, 1968. S. 262,287.)

Read more <http://archive.is/unMoY>

Post by u2

"after the Jews declared war on Germany in March, 1933."
from a neoNazi propaganda promoted on scp by "Oleg
Smirnov" as "an interesting reading"

don`t trust Piotr, a very decent and very modest
ocean-researcher from New Fumfland CA
he is a Pole eater:)

So Piotr is not only hysterical clown but also a cannibal.

[Incubus]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and
stupid, you should demand from your clownish shitty
government to stop promote the falsehood that Russia
allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia

Just annex the country, like you've done numerous times before. That way
the Russians will be in their failing state, and the Poles will be in
Poland, and everybody will be happy.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.
Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The Poles are not
welcome in Russia, so they should stop their non-natural hysteria, and
the malicious British should stop to incite the guileless Poles to
insanity.

That's a lot of shoulds. But then you might not know what "should" means.

Do you think he should?

[Mr. B1ack]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only invaded Poland
nine times in the past. Poles can rest easy.
1632 invasion by Russia
1654 invasion by Russia
1733 invasion by Russia
1767 invasion by Russia
1792 invasion by Russia
1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria
1831 invasion by Russia
1920 invasion by Russia
1939 invasion by Russia

1945 Russian occupation of Poland

However all of this is increasingly ancient history. The
way the world looks at territorial annexation/conquest
changed considerably after WW2 and even more after
the USSRs dissolution. Russias focus now is on keeping
what it's got (which includes traditionally Russian eastern
Ukraine). It is NOT going to invade Poland. Putin may have
some fun irritating Estonia but he's not going to actually
invade it either.

Russias focus has changed. During the USSR it really
was intent on acquiring satellite countries with a plan
of taking over the world one piece at a time. Such imperial
ambitions are gone (I'd watch China instead). Russia is
now interested in BUSINESS ... it wants to make lots and
lots of MONEY. Invading Poland won't generate any
revenue. Invading Estonia won't generate any revenue.

They wouldn't have secured E.Ukraine except for that
it was considered Theirs already plus they'd spent a
fortune on those seaports and HAVE to have clear
access through the straits for national security reasons.
When Noreiga talked about seizing total control of
the Panama Canal the USA, for national security
reasons, instantly sent in the troops and made sure
it was in safe hands.

Talk of Russia invading Poland is a scare tactic done
for political (and some economic) reasons. No doubt
the US military-industrial complex helps spread such
paranoia because then it can get NATO/Poland to buy
lots of its latest expensive toys.

Poland shouldn't let itself be USED by war profiteers
and rabid ultranationalists. Let money and energy be
directed towards more productive endeavours.

[u2]

Post by Mr. B1ack
Poland shouldn't let itself be USED by war profiteers
and rabid ultranationalists. Let money and energy be
directed towards more productive endeavours.

so fuck off with your money elsewhere:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Mr. B1ack]

Post by u2

Post by Mr. B1ack
Poland shouldn't let itself be USED by war profiteers
and rabid ultranationalists. Let money and energy be
directed towards more productive endeavours.

so fuck off with your money elsewhere:)

I'm glad Poland is doing so well that it can afford
to reject foreign investment ........ :-)